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03-24-2016, 11:23 AM

While I do get the consistency argument for owning only one cue, and I certainly dislike owning things I don't use, I have always bought and sold cues because I like exploring the differences in how they play. I only have about 5 or 6 cues right now, and it feels like too many to me. However, I don't feel guilty for owning my one really nice player.

I do like having certain cues in my tiny collection and I got them all for what I consider to be good prices. There are a couple I'd prefer to never sell for sentimental reasons, and others I have no special attachment to. I'm the kind of person that will play with just about anything, but I have paired down my current setup with a definite purpose in mind. I enjoy cues for their aesthetic beauty and their function.

I consider myself lucky to be in a place where I can buy and sell cues, and even afford to give them away to players who don't have their own cue.

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03-24-2016, 11:29 AM

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While I do get the consistency argument for owning only one cue, and I certainly dislike owning things I don't use, I have always bought and sold cues because I like exploring the differences in how they play. I only have about 5 or 6 cues right now, and it feels like too many to me. However, I don't feel guilty for owning my one really nice player.

I do like having certain cues in my tiny collection and I got them all for what I consider to be good prices. There are a couple I'd prefer to never sell though for sentimental reasons, and others I have not special attachment to. I'm the kind of person that will play with just about anything, but I have paired down my current setup with a definite purpose in mind. I enjoy cues for their aesthetic beauty and their function.

I consider myself lucky to be in a place where I can buy and sell cues, and even afford to give them away to players who don't have their own cue.

You like and appreciate the beauty of cue sticks. You like owning them. Some people buy cameras and lenses. Some people buy clothes. Some people collect straight razors, watches or whatever. For you it's cue sticks. Enjoy them. I know guys that have many of them and always have one or two or three under construction. For them it's a hobby.


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03-24-2016, 11:35 AM

I do like owning them, but I like playing more....
  
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03-24-2016, 11:37 AM

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I do like owning them, but I like playing more....
And only one is your go to player?


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03-24-2016, 11:45 AM

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And only one is your go to player?
My Hagan is my main player. I break the others out at random.

I would be lying if I said I played equally well with all of them. I prefer the Hagan most for balance, hit, looks, feel, everything, over my other cues.

However, if my house were on fire and I had to grab one at random without looking and play with only that cue for the rest of my life... I would be ok with any of them.
  
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03-24-2016, 11:59 AM

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Wondering why I am toting around 1200 bucks worth of cue when the 160 dollar Schmelke shot just fine as well. What I am trying to come to terms with is, among you fine folks who can afford to buy whatever cue you want (ok I can't afford ANY cue, but this Diveney certainly didn't put me in debt) how do you justify the value in the cue to yourself to continue playing with it? When do you decide that a very nice cue you have is up for sale or when you know you will keep it forever?

Justify it?

Because it pleases me. When I play, my toy box...er I mean cue case...is carrying a few thousand dollars worth of fancy woodwork.

Why? It pleases me. Idle pleasure. It has nothing to do with the level of my game. I don't need to earn the privilege of playing with a good cue, I only need to earn the money to pay for it.


When do I sell? Um...that's one of my problems. I rarely sell. I have a cue problem.


I see a lot of people turn over a lot of cues. I know they like cues. I know they do. But somehow it is different for me. I don't let go so easily. They aren't just a product to me. Even the ugly ducklings are beautiful to me in some way. It might be history, it might be something else, but something makes it special. If I had to sell cues to get another I don't know what I would do. It would upset me. I couldn't flip cues the way some do. Maybe someday I will.

Recently I spent more on a cue than I ever had before. It is a keeper. I have had several offers to buy it already. I am perplexed by that. If you know me, you know I didn't buy the cue to sell it. It would take a stupid offering price to get it out of my hands.

I often play two or three cues when I shoot, in addition to my break cue. Why? It pleases me. I like comparing and contrasting cues. If you don't do that then how do you really know how various cues compare?






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03-24-2016, 12:14 PM

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Justify it?

Because it pleases me. When I play, my toy box...er I mean cue case...is carrying a few thousand dollars worth of fancy woodwork.

Why? It pleases me. Idle pleasure. It has nothing to do with the level of my game. I don't need to earn the privilege of playing with a good cue, I only need to earn the money to pay for it.


When do I sell? Um...that's one of my problems. I rarely sell. I have a cue problem.


I see a lot of people turn over a lot of cues. I know they like cues. I know they do. But somehow it is different for me. I don't let go so easily. They aren't just a product to me. Even the ugly ducklings are beautiful to me in some way. It might be history, it might be something else, but something makes it special. If I had to sell cues to get another I don't know what I would do. It would upset me. I couldn't flip cues the way some do. Maybe someday I will.

Recently I spent more on a cue than I ever had before. It is a keeper. I have had several offers to buy it already. I am perplexed by that. If you know me, you know I didn't buy the cue to sell it. It would take a stupid offering price to get it out of my hands.

I often play two or three cues when I shoot, in addition to my break cue. Why? It pleases me. I like comparing and contrasting cues. If you don't do that then how do you really know how various cues compare?

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03-24-2016, 12:27 PM

I like cues. And, most cues play different no matter what "the indian not the arrow" crowd says. I currently only have two that I play with, a 1993 Dan Dishaw and a 2011 Kevin Varney. I like to play with cues that sound and feel similar to the first Southwest I owned and both these do. If you like your cues, don't worry about it, play with whichever one you feel like at the moment or just one most of the time, whatever.
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03-24-2016, 12:55 PM

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This is not really a direct question, but more wondering who else finds themselves in my position or what you think of my position.

I have been playing pool for 4 years - I am no world beater but I do hold my own. I have owned a number of different cues. My first cue was a players, and shortly after purchase I added on the players hxt shaft. A couple different iterations of OB cues followed, then a pechauer, a Brent Summers, and then back to OB.

For the past few months I have been playing with a regular 'ole Schmelke. Last September I put in an order with Diveney for a totally custom full splice with veneers, inlays, and rings to suit me, and a lakewood shaft to seal the deal. When I was using the Schmelke, I couldn't wait for the Diveney. I was playing good with the Schmelke, just about as good as I ever have been. But it wasn't a special cue, just cocobolo and maple, but then again you can reduce all cues to sound that boring if you want to. I was ready to have a dollar value on a cue match what I think my game is currently at. I mean if I am spending all this time playing pool I should be holding exactly the cue I want, right? I received the Diveney a couple weeks ago and let me tell you - it really is sweet. It fit my specifications perfectly, and although it is quite a bit stiffer than the 12mm Schmelke, it too plays really well and inspires confidence when I'm shooting. Sure I have to learn all the nuances, but I already feel pretty good shooting with it, just need to spend some time practicing before I can hit those money shots in one pocket.

This all brings me to today. Wondering why I am toting around 1200 bucks worth of cue when the 160 dollar Schmelke shot just fine as well. And I am not trying to debate with anyone about the indian vs the arrow philosophy, because I agree it's how you shoot, not the cue you shoot with. What I am trying to come to terms with is, among you fine folks who can afford to buy whatever cue you want (ok I can't afford ANY cue, but this Diveney certainly didn't put me in debt) how do you justify the value in the cue to yourself to continue playing with it? When do you decide that a very nice cue you have is up for sale or when you know you will keep it forever? I feel like I am in constant battle with myself - I am always waiting to upgrade to a better cue, and once I get the nice cue I have a realization that I should just be using whatever cue comes my way and sell the nice cue in favor of something as basic as it gets. And the cycle continues.

Is it possible I haven't truly honed in on the hit of a cue I prefer? Am I simply addicted to ordering new cues and opening up the package? Am I purchasing cues in the wrong cost segment?

I want to hear what you think.
Some buy a car and are happy with it. Some buy a car and have to have all the gadgets added to make it??? Some have the money to buy the nicest car available, but many of those are just ''keepin' up with the jones''. When your first learning, and 4 years of play is the tip, having and trying and using different cues is Fun, but your understanding of the wood your holding is near impossible to decipher. At your game/point in life, you need to first settle/find the cue weight you like, and start with a standard length. Your game needs a baseline before moving forward. Forward tho has many answers. If you question a cue you own, and are unsure how it fits in your life, let a great player hit some balls with it and the others, and get feedback your unable to understand with your present ability. It's amazing how many cues ''buzz'' when I hit thru the shot 100%, and the ones that don't, I then start thinking of the ''balance point'', only because after decades, I know where that is'.


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03-24-2016, 01:28 PM

Well, I absolutely love my cue. It's not even a custom, it's a production cue. It's the Poison Nitro Ni4. I don't ever want to change it. Shaft? Probably i would try some of them if i had the money. But not the cue.
The only custom cue I would get (if i won the lottary or something) would be one exactly the same but with negative colours to have as a break cue.
That being said, i like looking at new cues! I enjoy spending hours on the internet looking at cues on all the online shops. But the thought of me using a different cue makes me uncofortable.
Some months ago one of my friends was looking for a new cue and he wanted to try mine to see if he liked it (If he did like it, he would order another poison cue, i will never sell mine.). So we swapped cues for 2 days (he had a predator one) and although i liked how his cue hit i couldn't stand the thought that I'm not playing with my Poison, and that he was playing with it! It felt like I was cheating on my cue, and my cue was cheating on me xD I know, it's dum to even think of it like this, but I couldn't help it!
  
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03-24-2016, 02:41 PM

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Life is shorter than we think. Enjoy, Doc.

There ya go!


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03-24-2016, 04:28 PM

I've bought and flipped many many cues, some high end ones too. I've had Scruggs, McDaniel, Joss, Josswest , Gina and a dozen more. I'm not a collector, except for some vintage cues that I keep because I just love the nostalgia factor. Anyway I shoot with a Predator special edition XI...because it out plays every cue I've had....for me. It's about what your preference is and it's all about the indian, not the arrow anyway.
  
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03-24-2016, 05:09 PM

Sometimes the cue just clicks.........for any brand........and it turns out to be stupendous.
I've got some cues costing a lot like yours and the best hitting cue I ever tried is not one of mine

The cue belonged to a buddy in the Ft. Worth area and it was a Meucci with flat faced wood joint.
I swear on a stack of bibles that this cue was like silk n' satin in your hands......and it didn't cost a lot.

The hit was crisp but soft and just enough forward balance that you had to practice stroke slowly to
appreciate the subtle balance. The cue had a price well under $500 too. I was & still am dumfounded.

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03-24-2016, 07:05 PM

How many women/men does one go through to find the perfect one. How do you know you found it.

Some questions are never going to be answered!

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03-24-2016, 07:26 PM

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This all brings me to today. Wondering why I am toting around 1200 bucks worth of cue when the 160 dollar Schmelke shot just fine as well.

I want to hear what you think.
The question simply boils down to this: Why should I play with a cue that costs more, if I don't really love it?

This is tells me that you are logical or practical and it also seems like you are having buyer's remorse. Sometimes the anticipation or expectation we build up simply cannot be matched by reality. Maybe in a month, you'll pick up that Schmelke and it will feel like $160 cue.

I went through about 4 or 5 cues before I found mine (a Josswest). Once it was in my hands, after a short adjustment period, I just knew it was right. I improved it with several LD shafts, each time liking it more and more. I love it.

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