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Inspecting the rack - 08-08-2019, 02:21 PM

Was watching a few of the recent Predator World 10-Ball matches on YouTube. Refs were racking with a template and the players weren't supposed to inspect the rack afterwards. Anybody know the penalty if they happen to inspect it?
  
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08-08-2019, 02:32 PM

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08-08-2019, 03:22 PM

I always thought of inspecting it as either accepting it or pointing out gaps to be corrected. Do players look at a rack and decide how to break it based on tiny irregularities?

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08-08-2019, 03:49 PM

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I always thought of inspecting it as either accepting it or pointing out gaps to be corrected. Do players look at a rack and decide how to break it based on tiny irregularities?

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08-08-2019, 04:29 PM

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08-08-2019, 07:20 PM

This would be a tournament violation, and not a "foul". So while I don't have the answer, whatever the penalty for a tournament violation typically is. What happens when you hit the ref with the stick?
  
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08-09-2019, 04:12 AM

Should be loss of rack. Second violation loss of match. Third violation disqualified from tournament. A culture of not inspecting the rack is way better than a culture of having a shifty at the rack.
  
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08-09-2019, 04:19 AM

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This would be a tournament violation, and not a "foul". So while I don't have the answer, whatever the penalty for a tournament violation typically is. What happens when you hit the ref with the stick?
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Should be loss of rack. Second violation loss of match. Third violation disqualified from tournament...
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Should be loss of rack. Second violation loss of match. Third violation disqualified from tournament. A culture of not inspecting the rack is way better than a culture of having a shifty at the rack.
That presents the race condition of who looked first. What if both look at the same time? I agree that the rack shouldn't be inspected if it's racked by an official, as it seems rude and undermining to do so.
  
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That presents the race condition of who looked first. What if both look at the same time? I agree that the rack shouldn't be inspected if it's racked by an official, as it seems rude and undermining to do so.
If both look at the same time (or rather have been adjudged to have looked at the same time) then I guess it would make sense that the penalty goes to both of them. After all, they both looked.......
  
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Iím glad someone found it funny Ďcos I didnít. Seems like a pretty reasonable suggestion for keeping the game clean. But I would say that cos I wrote it...

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Iím glad someone found it funny Ďcos I didnít. Seems like a pretty reasonable suggestion for keeping the game clean. But I would say that cos I wrote it...

Have any other suggestions for how you would deal with players inspecting the rack?
I think hitting the ref with a stick once should incur the maximum penalty, but neither you nor I make the rules and are both entitled to opinions on the consequences.
  
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If both look at the same time (or rather have been adjudged to have looked at the same time) then I guess it would make sense that the penalty goes to both of them. After all, they both looked.......

Right, but I meant in the perspective of a game penalty instead of a tournament penalty. If both look at the same time, a game penalty would be null due to equal distribution... would they both be negative 1 racks? I assume it would be 1 warning, then ejection.

Ejected players from a tournament would make an interesting C-Side bracket which could be held in an alley with no cameras or officials of any type. This could be ran in the Last Man Standing format.

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Right, but I meant in the perspective of a game penalty instead of a tournament penalty. If both look at the same time, a game penalty would be null due to equal distribution... would they both be negative 1 racks? I assume it would be 1 warning, then ejection.

Ejected players from a tournament would make an interesting C-Side bracket which could be held in an alley with no cameras or officials of any type. This could be ran in the Last Man Standing format.
Yes they would both lose one rack. This rack and the next rack. Same player breaks again, unless someone is over the hill. Not rocket science and easy to administer.

No cameras, no refs, no upstanding players - different story. But I donít see how that would change anything regarding how opponents wanting a good game would implement the rules. Or how it would affect a tournament......
  
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