Radial pin issue

oneshotwiss

AzB Silver Member

Silver Member

• Apr 10, 2018

• #1

I have an aftermarket LD shaft which fits one of my Radial pin cues perfectly but wont thread completely onto a different Radial pin cue that I just purchased. The new cue seems to have 9 threads on the pin while I only count 7 threads on the older cue. Everything else about the pins seem identical. Could it be that the nylon insert in the shaft simply needs to be tapped a little deeper?

 

JoeyInCali

Maker of Joey Bautista Cues

Silver Member

• Apr 10, 2018

• #2

What's the new cue ?
DETAILS.
We can't just guess what you have .
You might as well post pictures.
Imported cues have a different "radial" screw outside the big brands like Lucasi and Predator.

 

Kim Bye

AzB Silver Member

Silver Member

• Apr 10, 2018

• #3

American ball thread??

 

oneshotwiss

AzB Silver Member

Silver Member

• Apr 10, 2018

• #4

It's a Joss West that has Bill's prototype radial pin with the set screw in the end of it that he used in the mid to late 90's. I will try to post a pic of it later this evening

 

oneshotwiss

AzB Silver Member

Silver Member

• Apr 10, 2018

• #5

Here is a pic of my Dayton radial pin next to the ivory sleeved JW

 

JoeyInCali

Maker of Joey Bautista Cues

Silver Member

• Apr 10, 2018

• #6

Sorry. So wrong. Pilot length is moot.

 

Last edited: Apr 10, 2018

K

KJ Cues

Pro Cue Builder & Repair

Silver Member

• Apr 10, 2018

• #7

These are two different pins and nothing about them is interchangeable.
The pin in the JW is an American ball-screw, 3/8x8
The pin in the Dayton is a 'Radial', 3/8x7.65
Drilling the hole larger will not change the tpi.

What's interesting is that Bill Stroud/JW is one of the inventors
of the 'Radial' pin yet we see an AM.Ball in one of his cues.
"It's a Joss West that has Bill's prototype radial pin".
'Prototype' being the keyword here. Glad that Bill chose to move forward.

 

oneshotwiss

AzB Silver Member

Silver Member

• Apr 10, 2018

• #8

What exactly do you mean by "pilot"? It appears to me that overall the Dayton pin is a hair longer so it doesn't make sense to me why the JW pin should bottom out?

 

oneshotwiss

AzB Silver Member

Silver Member

• Apr 10, 2018

• #9

KJ Cues said:

These are two different pins and nothing about them is interchangeable.
The pin in the JW is an American ball-screw, 3/8x8
The pin in the Dayton is a 'Radial', 3/8x7.65
Drilling the hole larger will not change the tpi.

What's interesting is that Bill Stroud/JW is one of the inventors
of the 'Radial' pin yet we see an AM.Ball in one of his cues.
"It's a Joss West that has Bill's prototype radial pin".
'Prototype' being the keyword here. Glad that Bill chose to move forward.

Click to expand...

So somewhat of a "bastard" pin KJ? I think Joey was saying drill the hole deeper not bigger? Correct me if I'm wrong. So bottom line, is there anything I can do to get an aftermarket Radial shaft to fit this JW?

 

ideologist

I don't never exaggerate

Silver Member

• Apr 10, 2018

• #10

oneshotwiss said:

So somewhat of a "bastard" pin KJ? I think Joey was saying drill the hole deeper not bigger? Correct me if I'm wrong. So bottom line, is there anything I can do to get an aftermarket Radial shaft to fit this JW?

Click to expand...

Yes, pay someone to make the proper insert for your shaft. A "Radial" off the shelf will not fit the JW

 

Michael Webb

AzB Silver Member

Silver Member

• Apr 10, 2018

• #11

Two different sized taps are offered. The first thing I would do is get a piece of wood tapped normal size and try that before any changes were done.

 

Last edited: Apr 10, 2018

K

KJ Cues

Pro Cue Builder & Repair

Silver Member

• Apr 10, 2018

• #12

oneshotwiss said:

So somewhat of a "bastard" pin KJ? I think Joey was saying drill the hole deeper not bigger? Correct me if I'm wrong. So bottom line, is there anything I can do to get an aftermarket Radial shaft to fit this JW?

Click to expand...

In this particular example no, it's not a bastard, at least in my opinion.
This pin is pertinent to this cue. That's the pin it was meant to have
and for no amount of love or money would I consider changing it.
Also in my opinion, no one should be allowed to work on that cue other than
Bill himself or his appointee. That's how 'special' I believe this cue to be.
One of his prototype cues built during his R/D of the Radial !!!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME ???

As to an aftermarket shaft, the pin in the JW does not present a problem.
As to make & mdl of said shaft; well, that's up to you and possibly the builder.

KJ

 

oneshotwiss

AzB Silver Member

Silver Member

• Apr 11, 2018

• #13

I agree with you KJ. Not in a million years would I consider changing out the pin or doing anything to affect the integrity of this cue. I just want to play with it and enjoy it as intended. I just want to be ale to screw a Tiger shaft on it so I can maintain the condition of the original shafts.

 

Last edited: Apr 11, 2018