brunswick GC2 setup & leveling pics-is this right?

D0N

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I have a couple guys (who say they've done many GC's) moving and setting up my GC2. It;s my 1st table so Im a total rookie at this BUT while polishing the wood underneath, I noticed the support bars aren't even touching the slate. I can move the wood supports up and down a good 1/4".

Also the wedges theyre using on the outside edges, under the slate, has raised the outside edges of the slate off the wood table base. This just seems wrong to me.

Shouldn't the slate rest completely on the wood table base and then the leveling be done at the feet?

I want to make sure this is 100% right when done. They're coming back today to re-cloth it and finish leveling. They say I'll be playing tonight.

The pics wouldn't show up with the IMG. Maybe you can click the links or copy and paste the links to your web browser?

thanks!

https://imgur.com/a/8ABXxI4

https://imgur.com/a/YuYZD16

https://imgur.com/rTYwJ5r
 
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rexus31

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I'm not a mechanic so take this with a grain of salt. That doesn't look right at all. Just because they've done Gold Crowns before doesn't mean they've done them correctly.

Did they level the base and frame assembly with the slates off the frame? That should have been done first to get the assembly as level as possible before putting the slates on the frame. Slate leveling should be fine tuning.

Where are you located? I recommend checking out the Mechanic's Directory and hire a reputable mechanic. I'd ask these guys to stay away.
 
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garczar

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I have a couple guys (who say they've done many GC's) moving and setting up my GC2. It;s my 1st table so Im a total rookie at this BUT while polishing the wood underneath, I noticed the support bars aren't even touching the slate. I can move the wood supports up and down a good 1/4".

Also the wedges theyre using on the outside edges, under the slate, has raised the outside edges of the slate off the wood table base. This just seems wrong to me.

Shouldn't the slate rest completely on the wood table base and then the leveling be done at the feet?

I want to make sure this is 100% right when done. They're coming back today to re-cloth it and finish leveling. They say I'll be playing tonight.

The pics wouldn't show up with the IMG. Maybe you can click the links or copy and paste the links to your web browser?

thanks!

https://imgur.com/a/8ABXxI4

https://imgur.com/a/YuYZD16

https://imgur.com/rTYwJ5r
Slate's should be on the frame. Looks like they're just getting going. The wood backing on the slate sits on the frame. Feet get the frame level and final slate tweaking is usually done with shims.
 
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rexus31

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Slate's should be on the frame. Looks like they're just getting going. The wood backing on the slate sits on the frame. Feet get the frame level and final slate tweaking is usually done with shims.

Getting going? Why is the slate so jacked up off the frame? It looks like they didn't level the frame assembly at all and don't know what they are doing.
 

trentfromtoledo

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My process to level a GC that has leveling feet using a Starrett 98 12" machinist level( also a 6' box level with Starrett on top for the legs lengthwise before frame is on):

1. Assemble legs and leg stretcher= level them both ways using feet.
2. Add frame to base= level again using feet.
3. Add center slate= level again feet.
4. Add both ends= level again feet.
5. then shim to fine tune.

On step #5 you should be using the very thinnest part of a door shim.

Everyone has their own method of leveling. Not saying my way is the "right way", but, I get good results. I wanna see RKC's card method dammit!!

The slates have the dowels, so the seams might line up or require shims. Either way super gluing the slates is a good idea and does not take that much extra time to do.

Just my $0.02.

Trent from Toledo
 

rexus31

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This is sooooo wrong it defies comprehension.

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D0N

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Getting going? Why is the slate so jacked up off the frame? It looks like they didn't level the frame assembly at all and don't know what they are doing.

They didn't level the base with a level. They used a measuring tape at each corner from the floor to the top of the base and got is close by turning the feet. I guess one of more of the feet were already in as far as it would go.

When I asked why the base wasnt levelled, the installer said the slate has to be on the base before the base can be levelled because the 160lb slate pieces "push the base down".

I hate to doubt the installers but I'm not feeling like this is going to be 100% right when done.
 
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8cree

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My process to level a GC that has leveling feet using a Starrett 98 12" machinist level( also a 6' box level with Starrett on top for the legs lengthwise before frame is on):



1. Assemble legs and leg stretcher= level them both ways using feet.

2. Add frame to base= level again using feet.

3. Add center slate= level again feet.

4. Add both ends= level again feet.

5. then shim to fine tune.



On step #5 you should be using the very thinnest part of a door shim.



Everyone has their own method of leveling. Not saying my way is the "right way", but, I get good results. I wanna see RKC's card method dammit!!



The slates have the dowels, so the seams might line up or require shims. Either way super gluing the slates is a good idea and does not take that much extra time to do.



Just my $0.02.



Trent from Toledo
Wooden or metal dowels? Just wondering.

Sorry, I dont have anything to contribute here.
 

pocket

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Explain please. I have to talk with these guys and explain why it's wrong.

Don, these guys aren’t properly installing your table I’m sorry to say.

There’s no explaining it to them.
 

trentfromtoledo

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Wooden or metal dowels? Just wondering.

Sorry, I dont have anything to contribute here.


Metal dowels.

"I have been told that by a few people. So now what? LOL"

Yeah, that is a tough situation. As Pocket said "There’s no explaining it to them."

You can try and use the info I posted and any other info that other guys may post.

From looking at the pictures, that seam is wide open. I wonder why? Maybe old wax or plaster in between the slates that was not properly removed?

Just be as cool as you can and tell them what you want. Good luck.

Trent from Toledo
 

rexus31

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I would ask they not return and compensate them for the time they've already invested. Measuring tape to determine the level on the base and frame? Wow. Again, where are you located? Maybe someone can recommend a reputable table mechanic. These guys are hacks.
 

D0N

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I would ask they not return and compensate them for the time they've already invested. Measuring tape to determine the level on the base and frame? Wow. Again, where are you located? Maybe someone can recommend a reputable table mechanic. These guys are hacks.

I'm 16 miles outside of atlanta. They have been paid for the work done so far. Actually I've slightly overpaid because they were supposed to use the old cloth (which we thought was ok but turned out not to be) and put the table back together so it was playable.

It is now sitting in many pieces on the floor.

https://imgur.com/ROeJeYL
 

PoolTable911

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I'm 16 miles outside of atlanta. They have been paid for the work done so far. Actually I've slightly overpaid because they were supposed to use the old cloth (which we thought was ok but turned out not to be) and put the table back together so it was playable.

It is now sitting in many pieces on the floor.

https://imgur.com/ROeJeYL

Call Mark Gregory (770) 548-4292 one of the best in the business. He is around Atlanta.
 

rexus31

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I'm 16 miles outside of atlanta. They have been paid for the work done so far. Actually I've slightly overpaid because they were supposed to use the old cloth (which we thought was ok but turned out not to be) and put the table back together so it was playable.

It is now sitting in many pieces on the floor.

https://imgur.com/ROeJeYL

Did you buy the table from them as well?
 

rexus31

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I'm 16 miles outside of atlanta. They have been paid for the work done so far. Actually I've slightly overpaid because they were supposed to use the old cloth (which we thought was ok but turned out not to be) and put the table back together so it was playable.

It is now sitting in many pieces on the floor.

https://imgur.com/ROeJeYL

Did they stack your parts like that on the floor?
 

D0N

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Call Mark Gregory (770) 548-4292 one of the best in the business. He is around Atlanta.

I did and he actually vouched for my installers and said they are doing it right. He knows them. He said he'd do it the same way if he were to come but he wouldn't come because he's too far.
 
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