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02-14-2020, 02:39 PM

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That's a really small table. Does it use marbles?

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02-14-2020, 02:43 PM

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my opinion is free though... keep that in mind.

I'm not afraid of being wrong neither and well aware I could be in some my statements

I have never seen Mosconi playing live, much less in his prime. So that alone should give leas credibility to my assessments, I'm aware of this.

But it is easy to deduce that he wasn't as strong a shot maker as the champions today.

Lassiter was known to be amazing in this part of the game, so maybe he was up to par in this department with the current champions. But I know Mosconi wasn't

Now, this does not mean he didn't play better 14.1 than most or all champions of today. I can understand this.
And I can understand that maybe he did play better than them all


It is very clear that Reyes, for instance, was never as good playing 14.1 than Mosconi was. FACT.

but, my opinion is that Reyes could have been.

In my post there are a lot of "ifs" and "could have beens"

My point is that shot making goes a long way, in all pool games!

And my opinion stands that I think Mosconi (technically) patterns, speed, kicking, safety play, shotmaking, cue ball control, mental toughness
did not excel in all these over the today champions, and that if anything, the champions and legends of today could do many of all this aspects of the game better than him.

The reason why I think this is because I know that the champions of today would beat Mosconi in all other games but 14.1. I think this is a fact.

And the reason why this is a fact is why I think that if these champions of today were to dedicated themselves to play 14.1 they would also be of equal or better skill than Mosconi was

No reason why not

In comparing all these one must ask why a player like Mosconi was a better player (over all) why was he better?
And you can only answer this by thinking of how good he was in every aspect of pool playing (not just 14.1 game)

As strong as you think Mosconi was mentally
I dont think it compares with Reyes mental toughness
Not close, in my opinion
Concentration, not close neither

I mean, its very easy for people to say "Marc you're wrong Mosconi was better"
but they have little to explain on why

Like I said: what did Mosconi did in the pool table better than Reyes
Not too many things if any, in my opinion in most departments Reyes is an overall better pool player



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I believe Mosconi dismantled Lassiter the times they played.

And frankly, just to reverse your argument, if Mosconi had dedicated himself to 9ball, or 10ball, or 1pocket he would have been just as great as he was at 14.1. But we'll never really know. What we do know is that he won 15 world championships against fields of professional straight pool mechanics -- the best of his era -- and dominated.

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02-14-2020, 02:45 PM

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Yes you may be right. Mosconi played better safeties, kicked better, shot better, had a better cue ball and was mentally stronger than the players today, including the legends.
Sure.

Go watch Orcollo sometime: what Mosconi did Orcollo does as fast as Willie did or faster, the difference is that Orcollo has a LOT more firepower to get out of trouble when he is in trouble.

Please, I repeat: tell me what does Mosconi did better than Orcollo on a pool table?

I'm giving you one example of a champion pool player of today, not exactly a "young gun"






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Here's what Mosconi did better than Orcullo does: play 14.1.

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02-14-2020, 02:56 PM

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I believe Mosconi dismantled Lassiter the times they played.

And frankly, just to reverse your argument, if Mosconi had dedicated himself to 9ball, or 10ball, or 1pocket he would have been just as great as he was at 14.1. But we'll never really know. What we do know is that he won 15 world championships against fields of professional straight pool mechanics -- the best of his era -- and dominated.

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9 of this world championships he had to beat only 1 player. Think I read somewhere..
you may know better

I'm sure he was a great player and one of the very best in 14.1.
But Skill is skill, again: what do you think he did better on the table than the top guys today?
what areas of the game of pool was he better at?
Not 14.1 only pool in general.

I give you the argument: maybe he was better than anyone in 14.1
anyone who's ever lived
Fine

But would he had been if the champions today were more dedicated to 14.1?
I don't think so.

The taiwanese players have the whole package
they are flawless in all departments

My point is that it only makes sense that the players who miss less, pocket better, focus better, have the cueball on the string and are extremely tough mentally, would naturally be as good or better than Mosconi playing ANY game (providing they put the hours playing every game)

I can beat a world 9-ball champion in One Pocket any day if said World champion has never played a game of One pocket before,

And I'm just a "short stop"!
but let the World Champion play the game enough and we would see if I keep liking it ...




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once a SS always a SS - 02-14-2020, 03:07 PM

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9 of this world championships he had to beat only 1 player. Think I read somewhere..
you may know better

I'm sure he was a great player and one of the very best in 14.1.
But Skill is skill, again: what do you think he did better on the table than the top guys today?
what areas of the game of pool was he better at?
Not 14.1 only pool in general.

I give you the argument: maybe he was better than anyone in 14.1
anyone who's ever lived
Fine

But would he had been if the champions today were more dedicated to 14.1?
I don't think so.

The taiwanese players have the whole package
they are flawless in all departments

My point is that it only makes sense that the players who miss less, pocket better, focus better, have the cueball on the string and are extremely tough mentally, would naturally be as good or better than Mosconi playing ANY game (providing they put the hours playing every game)

I can beat a world 9-ball champion in One Pocket any day if said World champion has never played a game of One pocket before,

And I'm just a "short stop"!
but let the World Champion play the game enough and we would see if I keep liking it ...




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nein' tape 4 u - 02-14-2020, 03:16 PM

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i am from germany and 30 years ago ive played in the same division with engert and some other good straight pool players .
i would say i know something about the history of straight pool .
ive seen some of schmidts 400s , everything fine with it
big pockets like in the ol days .
fast cloth , not my preference , but ok .
comparing 860 to 760 , to me 860 is easier to play .
heated/sanded slate i dont know .
i would choose mosconis table for a record attempt .
and i dont believe that sigel made a statement like on 760 mosconi 2000 balls .

by the way ....who is danny harriman ???
I sent a half of dozen tapes to germany (notice no caps) u must been hiding under a rock - get me point? I doubt yer in the conversation with Engert but yea it sounds cool on internet 2 say yer in the same divide - i would imagine there are mountains standing between yer and Engert's game. Engert is a Champion.


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02-14-2020, 03:18 PM

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Perhaps you could become a B+ if you put down that keyboard and spent that time trying to figure out for yourself what Mosconi could really do in the game of Billiards, not just 14.1 Straight Pool Continuous. And, on,of all things, 5x10 Carom tables, not the junior bar tables of your heroes. Continued...
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If you two played I'd bet on Marc - if I were a betting man.
IF,IF, IF a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his a$$.
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Perhaps you could become a B+ if you put down that keyboard and spent that time trying to figure out for yourself what Mosconi could really do in the game of Billiards, not just 14.1 Straight Pool Continuous. And, on,of all things, 5x10 Carom tables, not the junior bar tables of your heroes. Continued...


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Today's players are as babes in the woods. They have a lot of stamina, but very little knowledge of the game of 14.1 Straight Pool Continuous. Most of them cannot even explain the game to themselves, much less to others. They all miss the same little simple shots to end their runs. Lack of concentration, they even miss with ball in hand opportunities. 7 ball, 8 ball, 9 ball, ten ball, 1 pocket , same excuses. They blow'em and run off and hide. Bracket players, most of them only have to win about six or eight sets to become a world champion. Mosconi's World Championships came in Round Robin Championships, where each player plays every other player, not just win and play a few of the best and some of the rest of the players. Lassiter never beat Mosconi in championship 14.1 play. Irving Crane did beat him one time over a span of 17 years. But, of course, Mosconi couldn't play as well as today's punk ass no job young'uns. Mosconi also played and could explain up to seven shots ahead of the shot he was shooting. Ask one of these so called players of today or any day to equal that. You will get the most go to hell look of your life. Continued....
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I said almost a year. Yer not with me - in my world - i don't need to twist words to make my story sound better - as in yer's. Capiche?
Just joking. This has gotten a little much for me. Originally I was in the ďhe did itĒ camp but Iíve been pulled towards the dark side somewhere around page 30 or so. Now I donít doubt he ran 626 but I question itís relevance after hearing about the table bring less that straight up and his reluctance to present evidence. Why not just post a five minute teaser on YouTube to let us get the feel of the run. Plus a tried and true, hands down 100 ball runner who I respect explained his game compared to more traditional 14.1 players and that turned me off a bit. Either way Iím ready to move on. So going forward my comments will be more useless than normal and will only provide entertainment to me. Chances are only I get will a chuckle when I post but thatís fine. Donít mean for anyone to take it personally but that shit happens but intent is just as important as the result.

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I sent a half of dozen tapes to germany (notice no caps) u must been hiding under a rock - get me point? I doubt yer in the conversation with Engert but yea it sounds cool on internet 2 say yer in the same divide - i would imagine there are mountains standing between yer and Engert's game. Engert is a Champion.
voure right danny ,
its very easy to get attention in social media , you know better than me .
youre a good straight pool player but i dont like your behavior and your retoric the chosen one attitude .
john schmidt ran 626 on a regular table , and the easiest table of the world is still there .
if i would have the chance to run some hundreds on this table , i would do it .
and than i could say , i know what im talking about .
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02-14-2020, 05:57 PM

One junction comes to mind.

It's not legit and there's no way to play it.

Or it is legit and he took the money instead.

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