Go Back   AzBilliards.com > Main Category > Main Forum
Reload this Page Pechauer 11.8 CF weight and deflection?
Reply
Page 1 of 3 1 23
 
Share Thread Tools Rate Thread
Pechauer 11.8 CF weight and deflection?
Old
  (#1)
Cron
AzB Silver Member
Cron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 459
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Mar 2014
   
Pechauer 11.8 CF weight and deflection? - 04-02-2020, 08:06 AM

I searched on here but didn't find any comparisons between the Pechauer 11.8 CF. I know that the deflection of the Predator z2/3 wooden shaft is nearly the same as a Revo 12.4 CF shaft, so that leads me to believe that it's possible that the Pechauer 11.8 CF could be lower... but is it? As far as the weight it would be nice to know for the 11.8.

I was hoping to guesstimate the deflection by picture, but Pechauer states they don't want to risk their NDA with the fabricator by showing the internals.... so that was a fail.
  
Reply With Quote

Old
  (#2)
garczar
AzB Silver Member
garczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Online
Posts: 11,164
vCash: 500
iTrader: 13 / 93%
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Murica
   
04-02-2020, 08:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cron View Post
I searched on here but didn't find any comparisons between the Pechauer 11.8 CF. I know that the deflection of the Predator z2/3 wooden shaft is nearly the same as a Revo 12.4 CF shaft, so that leads me to believe that it's possible that the Pechauer 11.8 CF could be lower... but is it? As far as the weight it would be nice to know for the 11.8.

I was hoping to guesstimate the deflection by picture, but Pechauer states they don't want to risk their NDA with the fabricator by showing the internals.... so that was a fail.
Deflection is all about shaft end mass. I don't see how a picture of a shaft would tell you anything. Being sub-12mm i would venture a guess that the deflection is pretty low. Not enough to worry about.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#3)
Andrew Manning
Aspiring know-it-all
Andrew Manning has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Manning has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Manning has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Manning has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Manning has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Manning has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Manning has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Manning has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Manning has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Manning has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Manning has a reputation beyond repute
 
Andrew Manning's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 4,923
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Northern Virginia
   
04-02-2020, 08:23 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cron View Post
I searched on here but didn't find any comparisons between the Pechauer 11.8 CF. I know that the deflection of the Predator z2/3 wooden shaft is nearly the same as a Revo 12.4 CF shaft, so that leads me to believe that it's possible that the Pechauer 11.8 CF could be lower... but is it? As far as the weight it would be nice to know for the 11.8.

I was hoping to guesstimate the deflection by picture, but Pechauer states they don't want to risk their NDA with the fabricator by showing the internals.... so that was a fail.
I have the 11.8, have been shooting with it since last fall, and I was shooting with a Z3 before that.

The deflection is as close to identical between the Z3 and the Rogue 11.8 as I can judge. I suppose one of them has to be lower than the other, but I can't tell which.


I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

If you knew what you didn't know, you wouldn't not know it. -Danny Diliberto
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#4)
336Robin
Dir Multiverse Earth Ops
336Robin has a reputation beyond repute336Robin has a reputation beyond repute336Robin has a reputation beyond repute336Robin has a reputation beyond repute336Robin has a reputation beyond repute336Robin has a reputation beyond repute336Robin has a reputation beyond repute336Robin has a reputation beyond repute336Robin has a reputation beyond repute336Robin has a reputation beyond repute336Robin has a reputation beyond repute
 
336Robin's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 14,762
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 9 / 100%
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: West of Winston-Salem, NC
   
04-02-2020, 08:35 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Manning View Post
I have the 11.8, have been shooting with it since last fall, and I was shooting with a Z3 before that.

The deflection is as close to identical between the Z3 and the Rogue 11.8 as I can judge. I suppose one of them has to be lower than the other, but I can't tell which.
That's a great comparison though. I've never played with anything that small of a diameter. It's bound to be less than most other shafts.


"Let your "Stick" do the talking!"

336Robin
"Improve your shot making forever. !"

My Blog https://forums.azbilliards.com/blog.php?b=12238 [/B][/COLOR]

website:http://aimisthegameinpool.com
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#5)
BRussell
AzB Silver Member
BRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond repute
 
BRussell's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 3,750
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Apr 2013
   
04-02-2020, 09:06 AM

I posted this a couple months ago. The weight is about 3.5 oz.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#6)
Cron
AzB Silver Member
Cron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 459
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Mar 2014
   
04-02-2020, 09:34 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by BRussell View Post
I posted this a couple months ago. The weight is about 3.5 oz.
Thanks for the textural comparison.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#7)
Thunder Thighs
learning daily...

Thunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond repute
 
Thunder Thighs's Avatar
 
Status: Online
Posts: 1,705
vCash: 2950
iTrader: 15 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: United Kingdom
   
04-03-2020, 12:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Manning View Post
I have the 11.8, have been shooting with it since last fall, and I was shooting with a Z3 before that.

The deflection is as close to identical between the Z3 and the Rogue 11.8 as I can judge. I suppose one of them has to be lower than the other, but I can't tell which.
How does the 11.8 Rogue feel compared to the Z3?
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#8)
gregnice37
Bar Banger, Cue Collector
gregnice37 has a reputation beyond reputegregnice37 has a reputation beyond reputegregnice37 has a reputation beyond reputegregnice37 has a reputation beyond reputegregnice37 has a reputation beyond reputegregnice37 has a reputation beyond reputegregnice37 has a reputation beyond reputegregnice37 has a reputation beyond reputegregnice37 has a reputation beyond reputegregnice37 has a reputation beyond reputegregnice37 has a reputation beyond repute
 
gregnice37's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,220
vCash: 500
iTrader: 9 / 100%
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: East Coast
   
04-03-2020, 09:15 AM

My 11.8 rogue is 4.3oz with the 5/16x14 piloted speed joint.

My 12.4 Revo is 3.8oz with radial joint.


  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#9)
BRussell
AzB Silver Member
BRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond repute
 
BRussell's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 3,750
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Apr 2013
   
04-03-2020, 01:27 PM

I measured it with a more precise scale.

Pechauer Rogue 11.8 mm with radial joint: 3.82 oz
Jacoby Black also with radial joint: 3.77 oz
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#10)
Cron
AzB Silver Member
Cron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 459
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Mar 2014
   
04-03-2020, 02:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by BRussell View Post
I measured it with a more precise scale.

Pechauer Rogue 11.8 mm with radial joint: 3.82 oz
Jacoby Black also with radial joint: 3.77 oz
Thank you! That is what I'm looking for on the Rogue (the radial pin).
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#11)
JohnnyOzone
AzB Silver Member
JohnnyOzone has a reputation beyond reputeJohnnyOzone has a reputation beyond reputeJohnnyOzone has a reputation beyond reputeJohnnyOzone has a reputation beyond reputeJohnnyOzone has a reputation beyond reputeJohnnyOzone has a reputation beyond reputeJohnnyOzone has a reputation beyond reputeJohnnyOzone has a reputation beyond reputeJohnnyOzone has a reputation beyond reputeJohnnyOzone has a reputation beyond reputeJohnnyOzone has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 532
vCash: 500
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Eaton, OH
   
04-03-2020, 02:30 PM

My Rogue 12.8 is 3.9 oz. My REVO 12.9 is 4.0
Bear in mind that the REVO 12.9 has less deflection than the 12.4, so the taper also has some effect on deflection. Pechauer's own website does not give any deflection data / comparison.


Walk among the living
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#12)
Cron
AzB Silver Member
Cron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 459
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Mar 2014
   
04-03-2020, 04:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyOzone View Post
My Rogue 12.8 is 3.9 oz. My REVO 12.9 is 4.0
Bear in mind that the REVO 12.9 has less deflection than the 12.4, so the taper also has some effect on deflection. Pechauer's own website does not give any deflection data / comparison.
Where did you get the comparison between the REVO 12.9 and 12.4?
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#13)
BRussell
AzB Silver Member
BRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond repute
 
BRussell's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 3,750
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Apr 2013
   
04-03-2020, 05:17 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cron View Post
Where did you get the comparison between the REVO 12.9 and 12.4?
People have been saying that about the Revo 12.9 vs. 12.4. I don’t really believe it until I see something other than claims made on AZ, especially since the one thing we know for sure about deflection is that lower end mass = lower deflection, and the 12.4 tip should have lower end mass than 12.9. It could be true that the 12.9 has lower deflection than the 12.4, but most people “measure” deflection by taking a couple of shots and then making a grand pronouncement.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#14)
Cron
AzB Silver Member
Cron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond reputeCron has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 459
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Mar 2014
   
04-03-2020, 06:05 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by BRussell View Post
People have been saying that about the Revo 12.9 vs. 12.4. I don’t really believe it until I see something other than claims made on AZ, especially since the one thing we know for sure about deflection is that lower end mass = lower deflection, and the 12.4 tip should have lower end mass than 12.9. It could be true that the 12.9 has lower deflection than the 12.4, but most people “measure” deflection by taking a couple of shots and then making a grand pronouncement.
Yeh it could, I mean you never know until you know. I've only seen 1 video which was from Dr. Dave comparing the REVO 12.4mm to 3 other shafts. I've never disagreed with Dr. Dave's assessments, and even though he just uses a stroke for comparison, I have to believe his video is correct (and do).

I'm not trying to imply that you have to know weight, deflection, or any other numbers to play, but some people like to know these things. But making excuses for wanting to know these numbers is kind of ridiculous in the year 2020. You'd think that since it takes such a minimum amount of effort to find these numbers that the manufacturers would put them up themselves. If nothing else at all, it would give people things to debate and compare which would generate clicks (and considering the state of pool, that couldn't hurt). What's the excuse at this point in time for manufacturers not putting up numbers? Too cheap? Too ignorant (if so, which party)? Too uninterested in the product? It makes me frustrated that if I want to find out about the specs of any other player objects in any other game I can... but not pool.

(Here is the Dr. Dave video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awyt...youtu.be&t=190
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#15)
Thunder Thighs
learning daily...

Thunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond reputeThunder Thighs has a reputation beyond repute
 
Thunder Thighs's Avatar
 
Status: Online
Posts: 1,705
vCash: 2950
iTrader: 15 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: United Kingdom
   
04-04-2020, 12:08 AM

Is the 11.8 a pro or conical taper? Pechauer describes it as a “modified straight taper like our P+ Lite”
  
Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 1 of 3 1 23

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.