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06-15-2019, 06:16 PM

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I was thinking a time limit of 1.75 or 2 hours, still mulling that over. I don't want to use it but I also don't want to get stuck with a 3 hour match with no control over the situation.

What's the general consensus on time limits?
A nine ball match race to 8 should never take two hours.

Have you sketched out a full table assignment chart with rounds indicated? I doubt that you have two hours per match available.


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A nine ball match race to 8 should never take two hours.

Have you sketched out a full table assignment chart with rounds indicated? I doubt that you have two hours per match available.
I guess that's why I'm here, to find out how long it takes and to learn what it takes to figure that out

And it will be 10B, but that won't make a huge difference.

As far as 2 hours, I totally agree so the question I have is - have you ever put a time limit on matches in a tournament and if so, what did you set it at? I don't want to piss anyone off but I also want to have the tools to manage time if needed.

And I created a spreadsheet showing the rounds, approximate time per round, table availability etc. There are 12 tables so round 1 will have to carry over, that means 3 hours for first round (will be a little shorter because as round 1 matches end we can begin round 2) 3 for second round and then 1.5 for each round after that as we'll have enough tables. Hoping to keep it to one day.

I did just find out a buddy of mine ran a huge tournament in Montana for years (last one was over 200 people but it was a while ago) and he's given lots of good advice and we will be sitting down soon to hash this out. I also printed out a few 32 man brackets and will play with the numbers.


I also calculated (well, I googled it) there will be a max of 64 matches (if loser double dips) otherwise it will be 63 matches. Give each match 1.5 hours and that's 96 table hours. 96/12 (available tables) is 8 hours of play. Even if I give 2 hours for each match that's 11 (10.67 for nerds) of table play round up to an even 12 for fun.

Right now I'm thinking doors open at 8 AM, Calcutta at 9 AM with play immediately following - should (big should) be done by 10 PM?


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... I also calculated (well, I googled it) there will be a max of 64 matches (if loser double dips) otherwise it will be 63 matches. Give each match 1.5 hours and that's 96 table hours. 96/12 (available tables) is 8 hours of play. Even if I give 2 hours for each match that's 11 (10.67 for nerds) of table play round up to an even 12 for fun.

Right now I'm thinking doors open at 8 AM, Calcutta at 9 AM with play immediately following - should (big should) be done by 10 PM?
No. You have two rounds to finish the initial set of 16 matches in the winners bracket and then do not bother to count the winners-side matches. You next have a round of 16 players in the losers bracket. Then another round of 16 players in the losers bracket, then a round of 8 in the losers bracket and then another round of 8 in the losers bracket. Then 4 and 4 and 2 and 2 all in the losers bracket. Then the winner of the losers bracket goes over to play the winner of the winners side. That is a total of possibly 12 rounds.

You cannot play the finals of the tournament while 11 other matches are in progress. If you are down to six players you cannot fill 12 tables. You cannot simply divide the the number of matches by the number of tables.

Get a double elimination chart -- if that's really the kind of tournament you want to play -- and mark the time for each match. You are not allowed to start a match until both players have been determined for the match.

12 rounds at 1.5 hours per round starting at 9AM (no player will willingly show up that early, but you can dream) ends up taking until 3 AM. Pray you don't have many two-hour matches in the later rounds because each late match then adds directly to how long the tournament will take.


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No. You have two rounds to finish the initial set of 16 matches in the winners bracket and then do not bother to count the winners-side matches. You next have a round of 16 players in the losers bracket. Then another round of 16 players in the losers bracket, then a round of 8 in the losers bracket and then another round of 8 in the losers bracket. Then 4 and 4 and 2 and 2 all in the losers bracket. Then the winner of the losers bracket goes over to play the winner of the winners side. That is a total of possibly 12 rounds.

You cannot play the finals of the tournament while 11 other matches are in progress. If you are down to six players you cannot fill 12 tables. You cannot simply divide the the number of matches by the number of tables.

Get a double elimination chart -- if that's really the kind of tournament you want to play -- and mark the time for each match. You are not allowed to start a match until both players have been determined for the match.

12 rounds at 1.5 hours per round starting at 9AM (no player will willingly show up that early, but you can dream) ends up taking until 3 AM. Pray you don't have many two-hour matches in the later rounds because each late match then adds directly to how long the tournament will take.
And all that makes sense. I've been in an information gathering stage while trying to push through a bunch of stuff at work so I can go enjoy my vacation, I'll soak that up for a bit and then fill out my charts tomorrow.

Thanks for all your help Bob, I appreciate it.

EDIT: And that means 2 days for sure so a later starting time is in the future. That being said, I have been informed that the clientele at this location may get a little crazy after 10PM, so need to work around that as well.


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06-16-2019, 03:04 PM

just have the t.d. get some balls and put up a sign that says if you play slow you will be warned. if not immediately sped up to the other players your money will be refunded and you wont play again. then enforce it.

then add: " your slow play can ruin a tournament and that wont happen to ours. and if you dont feel you can play along with others then please dont enter."

i personally never play in tournaments because they are always held up by slow players or players taking way too much time because they play like their life depends on winning.
  
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