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Enough Is Enough!! - 06-15-2019, 09:58 AM

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You're going deeper down into the rabbit hole where I no longer will travel.
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Okay, I will switch gears. I will give you a aiming system that I developed myself for your consideration. (At least I haven't heard any other person mention this).

However, it doesn't address finding the contact point on the object ball. So you will be able to use this system WITH your CTE system to improve the accuracy of your shooting.

You might be thinking, wait, get a grip just said that aiming systems are unnecessary. I did. But here is what I discovered.

There is a way to aim with your "minds eye" to the contact point on object ball that "feels like" aiming when shooting a gun.

What I do is that I imagine in my "minds eye" the contact point with the cue from my Ring Finger of my grip hand to the contact point more forward on my grip hand with the cue (could be contact point with tip of Index Finger or some other point) and I align that with the path to the cue tip to the contact point on the object ball. All in a straight line.

On my final stroke I just focus on the contact point from the most forward spot on my grip hand with the cue to the contact point on the object ball. And that's it.

The cue ball hits the exact spot on the object ball that I'm focusing on.

The only thing that you need to do is to find the 1 or 2 contact points on your grip hand to use to get the most accurate results. I did this by shooting long, straight shots, corner to corner, using pocket reducers.

All I know is, it works. Although, upon first glance, it feels like it shouldn't, because you are literally aiming using points on your grip hand that are behind your actual eyes. But it's your subconscious that is doing the visualizing and the aiming.

Try it out.


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06-15-2019, 10:13 AM

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Okay, I will switch gears. I will give you a aiming system that I developed myself for your consideration. (At least I haven't heard any other person mention this).

However, it doesn't address finding the contact point on the object ball. So you will be able to use this system WITH your CTE system to improve the accuracy of your shooting.

You might be thinking, wait, get a grip just said that aiming systems are unnecessary. I did. But here is what I discovered.

There is a way to aim with your "minds eye" to the contact point on object ball that "feels like" aiming when shooting a gun.

What I do is that I imagine in my "minds eye" the contact point with the cue from my Ring Finger of my grip hand to the contact point more forward on my grip hand with the cue (could be contact point with tip of Index Finger or some other point) and I align that with the path to the cue tip to the contact point on the object ball. All in a straight line.

On my final stroke I just focus on the contact point from the most forward spot on my grip hand with the cue to the contact point on the object ball. And that's it.

The cue ball hits the exact spot on the object ball that I'm focusing on.

The only thing that you need to do is to find the 1 or 2 contact points on your grip hand to use to get the most accurate results. I did this by shooting long, straight shots, corner to corner, using pocket reducers.

All I know is, it works. Although, upon first glance, it feels like it shouldn't, because you are literally aiming using points on your grip hand that are behind your actual eyes. But it's your subconscious that is doing the visualizing and the aiming.

Try it out.


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Thanks but no thanks. I used to be a contact point aimer for years on my own and then took a couple of lessons from Joe Tucker who refined it to a higher level than anyone had previously and it still remains that way.

I drifted away from it after talking with Hal Houle.

You should be addressing this to Pat Johnson. He's a dyed in the wool contact point user. He doesn't use his ring finger but he does use something unique unto himself called the "Lizard Head Swivel".

I think if the two of you join forces this could be a super combination and the latest/greatest development for the future of pool.


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Thanks but no thanks. I used to be a contact point aimer for years on my own and then took a couple of lessons from Joe Tucker who refined it to a higher level than anyone had previously and it still remains that way.
Joe Tucker's method is something that I think is very useful when teaching people how to aim. I don't have his little product that he had for sale, but I've known and used the concept years before I ever heard of Joe Tucker.

Just a couple weeks ago, I was explaining that method to a couple of extreme "rookie" players and had them cutting in ball in very little time.

I can "see" what contact point I need to hit on the object ball and I can "see" what point on the cue ball must hit the contact point on the object ball. While I'm still standing, I use a couple methods of "verifying" what I think I "see". CTE, ghost ball, and maybe a couple other things are running through my mind simultaneously. At some point, it is time to shoot. Using whatever "computation" my mind has "settled" on, I bend over, trying to stay on that line, and shoot.

Therefore, I can't say I'm a CTE person, a fractional aiming person, a ghost ball person, or a contact point, etc., aimer. I am a combination of everything I have learned or done in over 50 years of playing pool.

Whatever I'm doing, it has worked well for me over the years. I'm 65, have had a blown retina, have floaters and cataracts in both eyes, am awaiting eye surgery, play only one day a week for a few hours, and can still play at an A, or higher, level.

If I could "see" and had more time to spend playing, I might one day try to concentrate on exactly what I'm doing while I'm aiming.
  
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06-15-2019, 11:17 AM

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Thanks but no thanks. I used to be a contact point aimer for years on my own and then took a couple of lessons from Joe Tucker who refined it to a higher level than anyone had previously and it still remains that way.

I drifted away from it after talking with Hal Houle.

You should be addressing this to Pat Johnson. He's a dyed in the wool contact point user. He doesn't use his ring finger but he does use something unique unto himself called the "Lizard Head Swivel".

I think if the two of you join forces this could be a super combination and the latest/greatest development for the future of pool.
This actually surprised me a bit. You won't even try a new technique, even it if might compliment CTE. Hmmm. Okay. Fair enough. I just know it works, because I've done it myself. If it's of no value to you, that's cool.




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Here he is specifically using it to run 219 balls in 14.1:
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Okay. This is exactly what I was talking about. Exhibit a.

Just give a compliment without attaching snark. That’s all. That’s all you have to do. Same thing with asking a question or for clarification.

When you add a put-down on the end of even non-confrontational posts it really aggravates people.

Also, using the word “actually” on the internet is never, ever received well.

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Okay. This is exactly what I was talking about. Exhibit a.

Just give a compliment without attaching snark. That’s all. That’s all you have to do. Same thing with asking a question or for clarification.

When you add a put-down on the end of even non-confrontational posts it really aggravates people.

Also, using the word “actually” on the internet is never, ever received well.

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Here:
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which references this post:
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showp...&postcount=112

Since I made this post Mike has come out and said he wants people to stop arguing about CTE. I was really talking specifically about the throw issue and not necessarily CTE in general. I was curious on your take now, beyond your initial one way back in 2017 when I made the original post (see link for what you said at the time).


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Oh good, you're back! Please see if you can find time to look at my post from the other day.

Here:
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which references this post:
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showp...&postcount=112

Since I made this post Mike has come out and said he wants people to stop arguing about CTE. I was really talking specifically about the throw issue and not necessarily CTE in general. I was curious on your take now, beyond your initial one way back in 2017 when I made the original post (see link for what you said at the time).
I went back and looked at it. What can I say? I know better and I knew better at the time—but I posted it. I think I was trying to say something else but I don’t remember what it was. Good catch.


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Okay. This is exactly what I was talking about. Exhibit a.

Just give a compliment without attaching snark. That’s all. That’s all you have to do. Same thing with asking a question or for clarification.

When you add a put-down on the end of even non-confrontational posts it really aggravates people.

Also, using the word “actually” on the internet is never, ever received well.

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Okay, I will switch gears. I will give you a aiming system that I developed myself for your consideration. (At least I haven't heard any other person mention this).

However, it doesn't address finding the contact point on the object ball. So you will be able to use this system WITH your CTE system to improve the accuracy of your shooting.

You might be thinking, wait, get a grip just said that aiming systems are unnecessary. I did. But here is what I discovered.

There is a way to aim with your "minds eye" to the contact point on object ball that "feels like" aiming when shooting a gun.

What I do is that I imagine in my "minds eye" the contact point with the cue from my Ring Finger of my grip hand to the contact point more forward on my grip hand with the cue (could be contact point with tip of Index Finger or some other point) and I align that with the path to the cue tip to the contact point on the object ball. All in a straight line.

On my final stroke I just focus on the contact point from the most forward spot on my grip hand with the cue to the contact point on the object ball. And that's it.

The cue ball hits the exact spot on the object ball that I'm focusing on.

The only thing that you need to do is to find the 1 or 2 contact points on your grip hand to use to get the most accurate results. I did this by shooting long, straight shots, corner to corner, using pocket reducers.

All I know is, it works. Although, upon first glance, it feels like it shouldn't, because you are literally aiming using points on your grip hand that are behind your actual eyes. But it's your subconscious that is doing the visualizing and the aiming.

Try it out.


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Been doing this for a long time. I use the "V" that is formed on my grip hand.

I call it the rear sight (like a rifle sight). The "V" that is formed with my bridge hand is the front sight. I use an open bridge.

It is one of my check points when I miss shots.

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