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02-12-2015, 04:50 AM

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He played in 2 Mosconi Cups (9-Ball), 1996 and 1997 (at ages 21 and 22). His record was 2 wins and 3 losses in singles and 2 wins and 2 losses in doubles.



So not even playing pool and he has an average record in the Mosconi Cup. And that was back when the US were dominating. I have no doubt he would compete with the top pros if he dedicated some time to pool. Man is a genius with a cue in his hand...
The Mosconi Cup is the Mosconi Cup. Not only are the matches races to 5, but iff he was in a tournament, he would have been out before he had the chance to get his 3rd loss (and well before the money in most tournaments). That is a loooooong way from dominating the US in pool, much less the world.

Pool, 9 ball and 10 ball at least, are, by design, games that can not be dominated in the long run. A player may play stellar for a few weeks or months and seem unbeatable, but eventually probability will catch back up to him.
  
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02-12-2015, 05:02 AM

What's funny is that everybody keeps mentioning players that aren't from America except Shane. Lol.
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02-12-2015, 05:04 AM

he's a headcase pity party look at me love me love me twit

greatest snooker "talent" ever actually all cue sports imo , still never really matched what Hendry did, or Efren/Earl in pool, or the carom greats

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02-12-2015, 05:14 AM

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I read above....

He played in 2 Mosconi Cups (9-Ball), 1996 and 1997 (at ages 21 and 22). His record was 2 wins and 3 losses in singles and 2 wins and 2 losses in doubles.



So not even playing pool and he has an average record in the Mosconi Cup. And that was back when the US were dominating. I have no doubt he would compete with the top pros if he dedicated some time to pool. Man is a genius with a cue in his hand...
Exactly. Cut and dry. No practice and played with a snooker cue and he played even. Send svb over there to play snooker and I'll bet all I have and give you a spot he will get destroyed. American rotation on a 9 ft table with bucket pockets is a child's game compared to snooker.


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02-12-2015, 05:24 AM

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The Mosconi Cup is the Mosconi Cup. Not only are the matches races to 5, but iff he was in a tournament, he would have been out before he had the chance to get his 3rd loss (and well before the money in most tournaments). That is a loooooong way from dominating the US in pool, much less the world.

Pool, 9 ball and 10 ball at least, are, by design, games that can not be dominated in the long run. A player may play stellar for a few weeks or months and seem unbeatable, but eventually probability will catch back up to him.
I never suggested he would dominate, but that he would join that elite group of players that are at the business end of tournaments. Hell a washed up Steve Davis was able to give the pool players a good run, I don't know why do don't think Ronnie could...
  
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02-12-2015, 05:41 AM

Imagine taking the hole on a golf course, and making it twice as large. Then, shorten every hole by 100 yards. There would be a lot of guys that would be able to compete with the best golfers in the world.

This is snooker vs pool. Big pockets, slop shots, and the power break pretty much determine who will win. Make it a pure skill game, and the best cueists will win. Make it a breaking contest with pockets that will gobble balls, and it levels the playing field.

Shane had a lackluster Mosconi record this year, so I love using Ronnie's Mosconi record as his indication of how he would have done vs an "American" pool player. One of the guys he beat in the 90s was Strickland. So he didn't just beat some chump at 9 ball. He beat one of the best to play the game, while he was in his prime.
  
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02-12-2015, 05:50 AM

Colin, did you get a chance to play him in the IPT? What were your impressions of his ability playing 8-ball against the elite of the IPT?
  
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02-12-2015, 06:01 AM

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I never suggested he would dominate
The posts I was addressing did and if you are in agreement with me that he would not be able to dominate like others have suggested, I don't see the point of your post.

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, but that he would join that elite group of players that are at the business end of tournaments. Hell a washed up Steve Davis was able to give the pool players a good run, I don't know why do don't think Ronnie could...
I also suggested that he would get pretty far in the pool world in my post. I think you should read a little more carefully.
  
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02-12-2015, 06:33 AM

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It's a moot point, he plays snooker, Americans play pool. They are 2 different animals. It's like asking who would win in a battle between Godzilla & King Kong, really doesn't matter, never going to happen.
cmon, man. Now you are just making crazy talk.

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02-12-2015, 07:20 AM

O'Sullivan vs Wu Chia-Ching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Ye61WiLMk

Quinten Hann vs Ronnie O'Sullivan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-M_c78etSM

Ronnie O'Sullivan vs Bogdan Wolkowski
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m_oBQ5nL8k

O'Sullivan vs Varner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Jz2m_fkM8

Efren on playing Ronnie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFEp0-mbE1g


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"They're just different" is a bogus argument.
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"They're just different" is a bogus argument. - 02-12-2015, 07:46 AM

Yeah, they're a little different, but come on. Fundamentals of cueing, pocketing balls, playing shape, etc.

But snooker is tougher. The tables are huge, the pockets are tiny, and most importantly, people treat it as a professional sport, with training from a young age, etc. Like tennis, golf, baseball, etc.

That's why you see snooker players with not much experience at pool already playing at or near world-class level. We saw it in early Mosconi Cup, in the IPT, at the world pool championships from time to time, Tony Drago, Steve Davis, etc. We saw it in the women's game over and over again.

On the other hand, there has never been (to my knowledge) even one instance of an American pool player doing anything at all in snooker. Apparently Jim Rempe, one of the top players at the time (higher up the pool ladder than Tony Drago was in snooker, for example), gave it a shot, and got nowhere. Most recently, we have Alex P, also one of the best pool players of the generation, who actually has a fair amount of snooker experience, and has made a serious go at snooker. Has he even qualified for an event yet or won a single match outside of Q school?

I'm rooting for Alex, and I'd love to see more pool players try their hand at snooker. But it sure looks like the skill level is just plain higher in snooker. If it wasn't, we'd expect to see something similar that what happened in women's 9-ball, but in the other direction, given the differential in prize money.
  
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02-12-2015, 08:09 AM

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It's simple If he tomorrow decide to play nothing but American rotation by this time next year he would be dominating everyone. Hell he plays even with them not playing the game and using a snooker cue. There is no American player that even be competitive playing snooker. As I've said before in these arguments snooker players make rock star money. If they could play it over our broke system of low payout tournaments they would. But they can't .... And they know it.

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02-12-2015, 08:15 AM

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Colin, did you get a chance to play him in the IPT? What were your impressions of his ability playing 8-ball against the elite of the IPT?
I didn't get to play Ronnie, my mate Quinten Hann did and I watched that game. It was a pretty easy win for Quinten, a former E8B World Finalist and Snooker Top 16 and good mate of Ronnie.

I did play against Ralf Souquet, George Breedlove, Karl Boyes, Jason Shaw. I would have been happier to get Ronnie in my draw than those guys. The guy is a champion, but he's second guessing the large balls and so is mid-field in positional play with those balls, compared to near perfect with snooker balls. Doesn't read patterns well, compared to experienced pool players and his break let him down big time. My break and run in the world champs was 32%, his was 14%. That's just a matter of practicing the important parts and familiarity.

One of the players I idolize, as a super talent is Quniten Hann, he looks up to Ronnie in the same way. Ronnie is a one in a million... few in history compare, but different games require very different skill sets. If snooker had gone bust and IPT paid out 10 mill per year as Mr. Trudeau predicted, then I think he might have been among the best within a year or so. But then again, he was probably rich enough to retire by then already, and had almost had a gut full of snooker... and I suspect playing cue sports in general.


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02-12-2015, 08:57 AM

this thread reminds me of the match between Wu Chia-Ching and Ronnie O'Sullivan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Ye61WiLMk


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