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03-03-2015, 10:39 AM

I'm not sure if CJ was referring to this specific shot or not but I have very often aligned 'through' a portion of a blocking ball & gone right around it but usually with less masse than this shot.

I think it depends whether one hits high on the ball or more on the low side.

I think with the lower hit the ball squirts a bit early on.

But... like Dennis Miller so often says about himself, I could be wrong.

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03-03-2015, 10:51 AM

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If people want to see a video demonstration of this, along with supporting instructional articles, they can be found here:

masse shot aiming resource page
FYI, for those interested, the video and articles also contain some useful technique advice for those who have trouble executing masse shots. It's one thing to know how to aim masse shots, and it is an entirely different thing to have the technique necessary to execute them with confidence.

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upper body angles will change relative to where you have to hold the cue
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Arrow upper body angles will change relative to where you have to hold the cue - 03-03-2015, 06:32 PM

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I'm not sure if CJ was referring to this specific shot or not but I have very often aligned 'through' a portion of a blocking ball & gone right around it but usually with less masse than this shot.

I think it depends whether one hits high on the ball or more on the low side.

I think with the lower hit the ball squirts a bit early on.

But... like Dennis Miller so often says about himself, I could be wrong.

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Yes, to create the technique's ideal scenario the head must not move, after you're aligned and ready to approach the shot.

The upper body angles will change relative to where you have to hold the cue (at the front of the wrap, or even behind, near the balance point).


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03-03-2015, 07:41 PM

Is it harder to do using a low deflection shaft ?
  
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03-03-2015, 10:23 PM

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Is it harder to do using a low deflection shaft ?
No - some think it's easier to squirt the ball around the obstacle with a higher-squirt cue, but that's not necessary - just aim it where the squirt would take it (if any).

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there's a system that allows you to do this no matter how much masse' is needed
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Arrow there's a system that allows you to do this no matter how much masse' is needed - 03-05-2015, 12:15 AM

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I'm not sure if CJ was referring to this specific shot or not but I have very often aligned 'through' a portion of a blocking ball & gone right around it but usually with less masse than this shot.

I think it depends whether one hits high on the ball or more on the low side.

I think with the lower hit the ball squirts a bit early on.

But... like Dennis Miller so often says about himself, I could be wrong.

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Yes, there's a system that allows you to do this no matter how much masse' is needed. It's pretty cool, however, it takes a good understanding of the upper body mechanics, and how they conform to the cue's tip......'The Game is the Teacher'


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03-05-2015, 08:48 AM

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...I have very often aligned 'through' a portion of a blocking ball & gone right around it but usually with less masse than this shot.
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Yes, there's a system that allows you to do this no matter how much masse' is needed.
I seriously doubt it - it's impossible to aim through the blocking ball for any but the tiniest amount of masse. For instance, your "instructional" video clearly shows you aiming far to the side - how about a video of you making that shot while really aiming through the blocking balls?

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"Aligning" correctly is the key to shot-making.
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Arrow "Aligning" correctly is the key to shot-making. - 03-05-2015, 05:40 PM

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I seriously doubt it - it's impossible to aim through the blocking ball for any but the tiniest amount of masse. For instance, your "instructional" video clearly shows you aiming far to the side - how about a video of you making that shot while really aiming through the blocking balls?

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Yes, to create the technique's ideal scenario the head must not move, after you're aligned and ready to approach the shot.
The upper body angles will change relative to where you have to hold the cue (at the front of the wrap, or even behind, near the balance point).

Where did I say anything about aiming? "Aligning" correctly is the key to shot-making.


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03-05-2015, 07:49 PM

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Where did I say anything about aiming?
Right here, in the post I quoted above:
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You aim like you would aim the shot if the obstructing ball wasn't there?
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Yes.......of course - how else could we make them so consistently.
But anyway, OK, you meant aligned. And how you're aligned for the masse shot in the video is the same way you'd be aligned for a straight shot?

If you say so...

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Right here, in the post I quoted above:

But anyway, OK, you meant aligned. And how you're aligned for the masse shot in the video is the same way you'd be aligned for a straight shot?

If you say so...

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It's common to confuse "aiming" with aligning, although I try to be specific when possible.

And you can align the same, although only when you understand the fundamentals correctly......


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03-06-2015, 12:16 AM

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It's common to confuse "aiming" with aligning, although I try to be specific when possible.

And you can align the same, although only when you understand the fundamentals correctly......
I asked you about aiming, read my post again.
  
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It's common to confuse "aiming" with aligning
Apparently so. Maybe it would help us if you explain the difference using the pic above of you aiming way to the side while "aligning" straight.

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It's common to confuse "aiming" with aligning, although I try to be specific when possible.

And you can align the same, although only when you understand the fundamentals correctly......
CJ,

Are you using a specific aiming method that sends the cue ball to its intended target? Or are you aligning to get your result by calculating the deflection of the cue ball with your tip placement?

When I first started to learn to shoot masse' shots, I was more attuned to the deflection of the cue ball with different speeds to hit my target. With experience, I learned to not only control the speed, but stroke, also.

With practice, I developed my own method of aiming and not just aligning and relying on deflection and speed. I learned to vary the results for different occasions, including a slightly curving jump shot.

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CJ,

Are you using a specific aiming method that sends the cue ball to its intended target? Or are you aligning to get your result by calculating the deflection of the cue ball with your tip placement?

When I first started to learn to shoot masse' shots, I was more attuned to the deflection of the cue ball with different speeds to hit my target. With experience, I learned to not only control the speed, but stroke, also.

With practice, I developed my own method of aiming and not just aligning and relying on deflection and speed. I learned to vary the results for different occasions, including a slightly curving jump shot.

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03-06-2015, 09:01 AM

I've only looked at the original post and I predict that the haters are going to loose their minds with this post.

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The masse shot is useful to get out of troubling situations. The system I use makes this as simple as possible, with a little practice you can do it too. Just don't practice it at a place that doesn't allow masse' shots, it's best to get it perfected at home before taking it out in public (if possible).

Here's an example of a masse' shot that will give you a starting point to learn the technique. If you have other situations or to learn how to aim this type of shot I'll be happy to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

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