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Answer this honestly please - 10-16-2020, 06:23 PM

if you stay down on the shot long enough to see it hit the object ball (if you dont you should..jmho )
1) do you miss because you dont hit what you were aiming at most of the time???
thats flaws in your fundamentals not aiming
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2) do you miss because you hit where you were aiming and it was the wrong target??
i would bet $1.50 that the majority of you miss because of #1 not #2
so work on your stroke will get you farther than an aiming system
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10-16-2020, 07:42 PM

Well, since you asked........it could be either.....only the person doing the shot will know why they missed.

Thatís why itís critical to correctly identify why you missed and not guess at why you missed.

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10-16-2020, 11:14 PM

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...it could be either.....only the person doing the shot will know why they missed.
Iím pretty sure thatís why he asked the question.

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10-17-2020, 03:44 AM

I used to miss because my stroke wasn't lined up right and linearity of stroke and consequently the whole shot was speed dependent. Well I've got all that sorted and now I miss because I haven't perfected the process.
  
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10-17-2020, 04:07 AM

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I used to miss because my stroke wasn't lined up right and linearity of stroke and consequently the whole shot was speed dependent. Well I've got all that sorted and now I miss because I haven't perfected the process.
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10-17-2020, 06:55 AM

He really didnít want a honest reply.....only a reply that was in line with what he thought......
  
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10-17-2020, 07:09 AM

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He really didnít want a honest reply.....only a reply that was in line with what he thought......
Now you can read minds too ?
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10-17-2020, 07:17 AM

I would say that around 2/3's of my misses are due to not hitting the spot I was aiming for closely enough and around 1/3's are caused by not aiming correctly.

After playing as much as I have in my lifetime misjudging the aiming point only happens on shots like a cut shot where the white and the object ball are very close together making it difficult (at least for me) to judge the correct aiming point. Another example might be a shot that is close to being a maximum cut shot, again these to me are quite difficult to aim/judge correctly and a third example might be a bank shot where it's not just the aiming point you have to judge but also the speed.

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10-17-2020, 07:20 AM

Far and away more often the former. Only occasionally the latter.


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10-17-2020, 08:11 AM

I don't come here often but its my favorite question that I'll answer with a question.

How do you know you've adjusted for delivery correctly when the Cue Ball appears larger than the object ball at a distance?

It doesn't matter what system, clue etc you go by (if you can't deliver where you need to) and that delivery can matter down to being off by a thousandth of an inch depending on how far the object ball is from the target.

It's called the "Parallax" and is much more important that a lot of folks give it credit for.

The only way you cope with that is play those shots enough that you know how they look both at perception and expected delivery. If you don't deliver right it's on your end of the perception until you learn how its supposed to appear when the cue ball is nearer to you to your eyes.




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if you stay down on the shot long enough to see it hit the object ball (if you dont you should..jmho )
1) do you miss because you dont hit what you were aiming at most of the time???
thats flaws in your fundamentals not aiming
or
2) do you miss because you hit where you were aiming and it was the wrong target??
i would bet $1.50 that the majority of you miss because of #1 not #2
so work on your stroke will get you farther than an aiming system
jmho
icbw
your thoughts?



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10-17-2020, 08:34 AM

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How do you know you've adjusted for delivery correctly when the Cue Ball appears larger than the object ball at a distance?
1. By visualizing the CB at the same distance and size (i.e., the ghost CB).
2. By aiming your stick (rather than the CB) at a target on or near the OB.

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I think you mean "perspective".

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10-17-2020, 08:45 AM

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1. By visualizing the CB at the same distance and size (i.e., the ghost CB).
2. By aiming your stick (rather than the CB) at a target on or near the OB.


I think you mean "perspective".

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I said "Parallax" but perspective represents the human reaction to it. So yes they are one in the same.

I routinely line up and make spot shots by aiming my cue tip at the edge of the object ball. So you're right whatever you can find that works for you
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10-17-2020, 09:19 AM

Without rehashing my PSR, I aim from above and don't get down to shoot until I'm done aiming. I still fudge a little and aim from the cue ball but it's mostly by way of adjustment; BHE etc...
  
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10-17-2020, 09:40 AM

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I said "Parallax" but perspective represents the human reaction to it. So yes they are one in the same.
I can see how they both apply to aiming, but they're definitely not the same thing. Perspective refers specifically to things looking smaller in the distance from a single position, while parallax refers to things "moving" differently at different distances as your position changes.

No bigee - I get you. This is just me being Deputy Pat of the Grammar Police.

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10-17-2020, 10:20 AM

I think most people who think they aimed wrong actually can't get the cb to go where they want it to. Sometimes it is impossible to tell whether it was aim or stroke. Many think they have a better stroke than they really do so they assume it is aim.


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