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BRussell · Dec 4, 2017

Chopdoc said:
A handshake? That makes a professional? That defines it?

Actually, yes. Sportsmanship defines being a professional, and a handshake is just a about the bare minimum. If not that, then what?

If the US wants to be the bad boys of pool, that’s fine, plenty of great sports teams have done it. But you can’t both lose constantly and be the bad boys - that’s just a joke.

And celebrating is not poor sportsmanship. That’s false equivalence and excuse-making.

Kid Dynomite · Dec 4, 2017

He was out of line and this ain't the first time!

But, nothing done then and probably won't be done now!

Kd

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stevelomako · Dec 4, 2017

Kickin' Chicken said:
as soon as he potted the winning 9b, Filler went over to his side and had a high five celebration with his team mates, not good etiquette.

when he finally went looking for Dennis to shake his hand, Dennis wasn't interested.

I don't blame him.

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I don't get it.

Every major sport there is, players celebrate with their teammates, then line up and shake hands then go back to celebrating.

People must be missing something.

chefjeff · Dec 4, 2017

stevelomako said:
I don't get it.

Every major sport there is, players celebrate with their teammates, then line up and shake hands then go back to celebrating.

People must be missing something.

Missing the great feeling of having the BEST DAY EVER FOR POOL ON TV.

I thought it was all just great!

Jeff Livingston

WoodyMPW · Dec 4, 2017

It certainly is not about the lack of handshake or celebrating, cause this:

https://youtu.be/etnQ-lgh4nM

Start at 10 minutes in.

chefjeff · Dec 4, 2017

It's good for ratings.

Jeff Livingston

KMRUNOUT · Dec 4, 2017

Jawzcue said:
We wonder why USA has trouble in the cup. Ill chalk any loss up as karma from Dennis Hatch spineless coward classless move. Shake the damn hand youre a professional.

Exactly, which is why Filler's neglect of a handshake and instead going over to his bench hooting and hollaring was a bad move. He should have first went to shake Dennis's hand, then go celebrate with his team. He made the initial sportsmanship error. Dennis had every right to feel disrespected, but he should have been the bigger person and shook Filler's hand anyway.

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spartan · Dec 4, 2017

stevelomako said:
I don't get it.

Every major sport there is, players celebrate with their teammates, then line up and shake hands then go back to celebrating.

People must be missing something.

+1 Exactly. Celebrating before handshake is common, easy to be lost in the euphoria of the win.
Still Hatch should handshake.
Having said that Filler is a brat and he has been showboating in previous tourneys US Open, China Open etc. Shows a lack of manners etiquette. Someone said he is only 20. All the new breed of young players (some younger than him) have more class and manners than him. His MC elder teammates should really tell him to behave and show respect at the table. About time the players tell him to toe the line

Poolplaya9 · Dec 4, 2017

KMRUNOUT said:
Exactly, which is why Filler's neglect of a handshake and instead going over to his bench hooting and hollaring was a bad move. He should have first went to shake Dennis's hand, then go celebrate with his team. He made the initial sportsmanship error. Dennis had every right to feel disrespected, but he should have been the bigger person and shook Filler's hand anyway.

This is pretty much the way I see it. Josh Filler has an extensive history of showing disrespect to the game and his opponents with his celebrations. They are often way too dramatic and excessive, too loud and long, are timed badly, and happen too frequently. There is little doubt that he is an immature arrogant pr!ck who lacks class and consideration or respect for others. While Filler was a bit out of line with the timing and duration of his celebration this time too (although it wasn't nearly as bad as it often is), it wasn't enough to warrant Dennis refusing to shake his hand. It seemed to me that Dennis did that mostly because he was pissed off about that last roll that Filler got and about losing the match and was just being a bad sport and showing his ass over it, something he has a history for as well (I did miss the first part of the match so I also could have missed some of Josh's behavior that ultimately warranted the refusal to shake hands).

lfigueroa · Dec 4, 2017

Perhaps it looked different on TV but IMO what really put a burr straight up Hatch’s keester was when his Euro opponent, with like three or so stop and shoot shots left on the table to cinch the match — went to the chair, sat down, took a swig of water, and then returned to the table.

Frankly, given that type of situation, I don’t blame Hatch one bit.

Lou Figueroa

grindz · Dec 4, 2017

Yeah... I don't care ... I'm a huge Hatch fan... guy has HEART!!

Since when do the Euro's care about etiquette.... their fans are
The MOST disrespectful of the opposing players by FAR...

I'll be there in a couple days... hopefully we're still in it... so I can
Cheer them on!!!

Td

KRJ · Dec 4, 2017

lfigueroa said:
Perhaps it looked different on TV but IMO what really put a burr straight up Hatch’s keester was when his Euro opponent, with like three or so stop and shoot shots left on the table to cinch the match — went to the chair, sat down, took a swig of water, and then returned to the table.

Frankly, given that type of situation, I don’t blame Hatch one bit.

Lou FigueroA

Yep, that was a bit much imho !!

Cardigan Kid · Dec 4, 2017

Icon of Sin said:
Filler is a bit disrespectful. The excessive cheering after each rack win is a bit much. He was doing that shit after most wins at the US Open while other matches were still going on. Overheard a few other players express their displeasure with this.

Plus with him celebrating with his team instead of shaking Dennis' hand, that can be seen as disrespectful as well.

Is all this enough for Dennis to blow him off, I don't know. I would have still shaken his hand personally, but I will never be in the situation they are in. Filler is still very young and very talented. Hopefully as his game gets better and can also get a more level head.

Just my opinion.

I recently watched the final of the China open, when filler won, he literally dropped on his back with his arms and legs kicking in the air. It was really uncomfortable even though I understood the emotion and moment he was experiencing.

But if he continues this then it will seem forced, not genuine, and smug...Maybe even a bit of a shark move (when done during the match, not the end)

I wasn't able to watch the match today but from the sounds of it, after reading this thread, I absolutely can see Filler doing this.

KRJ · Dec 4, 2017

Cardigan Kid said:
I recently watched the final of the China open, when filler won, he literally dropped on his back with his arms and legs kicking in the air. It was really uncomfortable even though I understood the emotion and moment he was experiencing.

But if he continues this then it will seem forced, not genuine, and smug...Maybe even a bit of a shark move (when done during the match, not the end)

I wasn't able to watch the match today but from the sounds of it, after reading this thread, I absolutely can see Filler doing this.

Can you imagine playing a set with someone that is celebrating after each win, not after each set, but every single win during the set? Yeah, that would get old real fuggin fast.

pt109 · Dec 4, 2017

sbpoolleague said:
Shake your opponent's hand and THEN go do cartwheels.

You are not just disrespecting your opponent, you are disrespecting the sport.

A good lesson to learn for all league players as well.

I think a team influences players to act a little different...APA or pro level...
...and it's more the norm to do this

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...=2dkPI1lIZJg&usg=AOvVaw1mAdL0GwAKzvTUsE7ysg2-

ribdoner · Dec 4, 2017

If it gets hot in the EURO kitchen RS & JS will be tough as nails, Da will be steady and VDB will be beatable leaving FILLER as somewhat of a wildcard. Perhaps HATCH on his own or at the coach's direction is playing mind games with the pup.

BRILLIANT, if that's the case, plenty of time after the exhibition to throw a few back a few and hug.

Tomorrow will be interesting.

Icon of Sin · Dec 4, 2017

ChicagoRJ said:
Can you imagine playing a set with someone that is celebrating after each win, not after each set, but every single win during the set? Yeah, that would get old real fuggin fast.

That would get them blacklisted. If I'm gonna donate... it's not going to be to someone like that.

morris · Dec 4, 2017

Complete disrespect from Filler! Very unprofessional got what he deserved!

RunoutJJ · Dec 4, 2017

You should read hatchs Facebook wall for the details. Immature pos if you ask.anybody. I don't blame Dennis.

RunoutJJ · Dec 4, 2017

I’m going say this and that’s it.
Filler was acting like an ass waking around the table sticking his tongue out then sits to drink water when he’s straight in on the 9 then doesn’t shake my hand and had to be dragged over by his captain to shake. At that point I was pissed SORRY. I felt like I was disrespected. I WILL APOLOGIZE TO FILLER. END OF STORY!!!

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