Or, it was a sign of maturity by taking a few seconds to calm down instead of shooting while nervous and dogging it.
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Or, it was a sign of maturity by taking a few seconds to calm down instead of shooting while nervous and dogging it.
Well, I don’t know about the losing side of the argument thing, given he’s already made his point.
Lou Figueroa
As I’ve said repeatedly, that’s not how it appeared to me. IOWs, it’s only my opinion. YMMV.
Lou Figueroa
Either way its generated 5 pages on this thread alone, which shows why the Mosconi Cup is so successful compared to other pool events
Clearly opinion is divided, its a shame the interviewer didn't ask Filler after the match, that would have been a good opportunity!
Either way its generated 5 pages on this thread alone, which shows why the Mosconi Cup is so successful compared to other pool events
Clearly opinion is divided, its a shame the interviewer didn't ask Filler after the match, that would have been a good opportunity!
Or could be we’re just bored and have little else to talk about nowadays.
Best tip, anyone?
Lou Figueroa
Either way its generated 5 pages on this thread alone, which shows why the Mosconi Cup is so successful compared to other pool events
Clearly opinion is divided, its a shame the interviewer didn't ask Filler after the match, that would have been a good opportunity!
It's generated 5 pages because a bunch of sore losers are trying to blame the winner for Hatch not being able to get the job done. Hatch lost, get over it. it's not like it was a big surprise.
I have intentionally not read these pages. But I have to say your accusations sounds ridiculous.
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Nice of you to admit that you have no knowledge of the subject, but yet thought we would think your opinion to be of some value. They call that talking out of your ass.`
I did not watch the match so going off of the comments of those that did. If this was a gamblin match at some dark lot pool room anywhere USA, shaking hands is not required. Would it be a " classy" thing to do? Yes, but if it didn't happen then no big deal. Now as to the antics of Filler, that very well may get you cracked over the head with a cue or worse. That's not an acceptable behavior in ANY venue.
I saw that differently. In fact I was kind of impressed by it and imagined it might have had a wise Marcus Chamat written all over it.
Wow Lou.... You defending this surprises me.
Mike, I think, if you feel a player crosses a certain line, you are well within your rights to decline to shake their hand. That, to me, shows more class and character than just blindly shaking hands. It is signaling that you feel your opponent stooped to a level you will not endorse. And that “line” is going to be different for every player and the different circumstances involved.
Personally, I have never refused to shake an opponent’s hand. But I can see it happening if I felt sufficiently offended by what was done and how.
Lou Figueroa
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Handshakes -Long and short of it
Talking about handshakes, actually the time from final 9 ball dropping to Filler ready to handshake Hatch was less than 10 seconds https://youtu.be/QqFqKkHxr7A?t=1925
There have been longer times between final 9 ball and the handshake
2015 Match 14 Niels v Shane (24 seconds) https://youtu.be/JGW7kG17U88?t=2350
2015 Championship point-Albin v Skyler (1 minute) https://youtu.be/o7kjBuWGYhI?t=3500
And I am not sure if this reluctant handshake counted as a handshake :grin:
2012 Championship point- Nick Van Den Berg v Mike Dechaine https://youtu.be/YadUQ6_XugY?t=2998
Talking about handshakes, actually the time from final 9 ball dropping to Filler ready to handshake Hatch was less than 10 seconds https://youtu.be/QqFqKkHxr7A?t=1925
There have been longer times between final 9 ball and the handshake
2015 Match 14 Niels v Shane (24 seconds) https://youtu.be/JGW7kG17U88?t=2350
2015 Championship point-Albin v Skyler (1 minute) https://youtu.be/o7kjBuWGYhI?t=3500
And I am not sure if this reluctant handshake counted as a handshake :grin:
2012 Championship point- Nick Van Den Berg v Mike Dechaine https://youtu.be/YadUQ6_XugY?t=2998
I dunno, I think it's a highly personal thing.
For me it's most important that I show respect to my opponent first. To me that means
before I celebrate, before I yell and scream or jump up and down I thank them for the match
and congratulate them for a match well played. After that I can celebrate with my team mates.
In the very least I expect mutual acknowledgement and respect from my opponent should I lose,
but I feel the acknowledgementand mutual respect should come first, celebration second.
Not everyone thinks that. If I lose I may wait a few seconds, but if the celebration goes long
I also will walk away, a hand shake after the fact means little so I won't do it, but again,
that's just me.
My standard for myself I guess is fairly high, it's always acknowledgement / respect first,
celebration second - but act like you've been there before.
I think Hatch, like any competitor, isn't going to sit still for the other teams celebration
and doesn't particularly want to be there for it, I wouldn't.
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Whether or not this Filler kid is a total douche or not may never be known...but the most important thing that no one has mentioned yet is what kind of cue does he play with and does he use an aiming system. These are questions we all must know
I thought it was interesting that Chamat grabbed Filler rather quickly and accompanied him over to Hatch to at least attempt to shake hands with Hatch, even though Hatch had already left the playing area. I'm guessing Chamat was not exactly proud of his young player that he chose to come celebrate the win with his teammates before shaking Hatch's hand - which he should have done first.
These are good points but the Hatch sympathizers will surely find a way to discredit it.
"Oh, it was for the Mosconi cup win so it's different."
"Oh, they're all Europeans."
"Oh, well.. it was a golden break so it's special."
But Shane, being a classy person, understands the celebration and knows the handshake is coming.
I see nothing wrong with what Filler did. He was overly excited. Almost smacked Nigel with his cue as he whipped around by accident. He turned around almost immediately to shake Hatch's hand but he was already gone. Then went over again and was still snubbed.
This is all on Hatch.
And as for Hatch whining about the water thing... Seriously? Filler did the best possible thing he could have. Relax, gain your composure, shoot the rest of your balls. Any coach would've given his player that exact advice, but Filler knew enough to do it on his own.
He's just deflecting because he lost.
The way I read that situation was that Filler turned around to shake Dennis's hand but he was already gone. So he gave the confused face and hand flip like, "Uhh.. what should I do now?"
Then Marcus was like, "No, no.. We should go over and catch him. We'll intercept him to make sure he knows you mean well."
Then snubbed again.