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trying to make a deal right. - 06-30-2014, 05:03 PM

I bought a richard black from Tinman467. We made a deal for a 95% cue with 2 original richard black shafts and one predator shaft that matched. I received the cue on June 19th , cue was not at all as described. It has a bad warp in the handle which makes the joint raise almost 3 credit cards. You can actually rock the cue on a flat surface. Also, i only received 1 original and 1 predator shaft. I am missing one shaft. Last i spoke to him he said i would get it when he found it. The ferrule on the predator shaft is cracked and would need to be replaced. The ferrule on the original shaft may have to be replaced due to pitting and not being taken care of. I gave 1900.00 for the cue and 25.00 to split shipping. I was very unhappy with the deal and now buyer wont contact me or send me the shaft which is owed . I made a dispute/ claim through paypal and we will see how that goes i suppose. I offered him an 1800.00 refund so he didn't lose any money in this deal. He told me that interested in having the cue back. He even told me he didn't know the cue had a roll and that someone else packaged it to be sent out. I have never had any issues on here so I am not sure what to do. Any help is appreciated. I thought i was being fair but i think a 95% cue shouldnt have to be fixed.
  
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06-30-2014, 05:24 PM

That's frustrating, my condolences. If this guy doesn't give a full refund, he's a CROOK! Can't wait to hear his excuses
  
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06-30-2014, 05:44 PM

Tell him you want to return it , do so in writing, text is fine.
Hope you bought using paypal funded with a credit card.
File dispute with Paypal for item not as described.
Give him 2 days to fly right.
When he ignores you and he will...file charge back with your credit card company.

No way does a 2000 cue have a undescribed warped handle. He dumped on you sir.
  
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Black - 06-30-2014, 05:47 PM

That was a beautiful cue. I almost bought it..
  
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06-30-2014, 06:19 PM

I spoke to Jim, cantwin, on the phone about this. He's local to me and I consider him a good friend.

His word is gold and if he says the cue was not as described, then the cue was not as described.

If he says items were missing from the deal, they were missing from the deal.

If he says the cue is warped...it's warped.

Before I get all bent out of shape over this, I'd like to hear from Tinman and hopefully he'll make this right.

Jim, you don't deserve this. You do business the right way and paid good cash for this cue..you deserve a refund since you didn't get what you paid for.

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06-30-2014, 06:25 PM

Of course he doesn't want the cue back. Who would want it with a warped handle ?
I think you are on the right track with the paypal dispute. Follow that up with
some neg i trader to warn others about his sense of honesty.
  
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06-30-2014, 06:40 PM

That really sucks, I'd be pissed as hell if someone made me that deal!
The only right way to do this is to undo the trade with you losing not a single dime cos you've already wasted your time.


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06-30-2014, 07:02 PM

Here's the link to the for sale thread.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showth...=richard+black

His description:

Very classy Richard Black.
Cue weights are in the area of 19.5 oz with any shaft.
Tips are roughly 12.8 - 12.9 mm on all 3 shafts.
2 original RB shafts...and 1 Predator Z314
Cue plays SUPERB.
$2000 or b/o and I'll eat all the fees.
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06-30-2014, 07:17 PM

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I spoke to Jim, cantwin, on the phone about this. He's local to me and I consider him a good friend.

His word is gold and if he says the cue was not as described, then the cue was not as described.

If he says items were missing from the deal, they were missing from the deal.

If he says the cue is warped...it's warped.

Before I get all bent out of shape over this, I'd like to hear from Tinman and hopefully he'll make this right.

Jim, you don't deserve this. You do business the right way and paid good cash for this cue..you deserve a refund since you didn't get what you paid for.

Mike
Sorry to hear that JIM and TRO.....

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Bogus - 06-30-2014, 07:46 PM

Crap like this is why it's so hard for an honest guy like me to make a deal on this site.
  
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Another buyer screwed over.... - 06-30-2014, 08:01 PM

Sorry to hear about another bad deal going down on the for sale section. I would be pissed as all get out, if I spent that kind of cash on a cue like that. What's wrong with people these days? I know the economy is bad, but dam... I hope you can get this bad deal worked out. Best of luck Jim...

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06-30-2014, 08:06 PM

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I bought a richard black from Tinman467. We made a deal for a 95% cue with 2 original richard black shafts and one predator shaft that matched. I received the cue on June 19th , cue was not at all as described. It has a bad warp in the handle which makes the joint raise almost 3 credit cards. You can actually rock the cue on a flat surface. Also, i only received 1 original and 1 predator shaft. I am missing one shaft. Last i spoke to him he said i would get it when he found it. The ferrule on the predator shaft is cracked and would need to be replaced. The ferrule on the original shaft may have to be replaced due to pitting and not being taken care of. I gave 1900.00 for the cue and 25.00 to split shipping. I was very unhappy with the deal and now buyer wont contact me or send me the shaft which is owed . I made a dispute/ claim through paypal and we will see how that goes i suppose. I offered him an 1800.00 refund so he didn't lose any money in this deal. He told me that interested in having the cue back. He even told me he didn't know the cue had a roll and that someone else packaged it to be sent out. I have never had any issues on here so I am not sure what to do. Any help is appreciated. I thought i was being fair but i think a 95% cue shouldnt have to be fixed.

Has Paypal issued a return authorization?


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06-30-2014, 11:36 PM

I did pay with a debit card through PayPal. I guess that was a mistake. I opened a dispute and escalated it to a claim. They give the seller a certain amount of time and then make the decision themselves in this case, as far as I understand. Any additional info will help from experienced members. Should I notify my bank, can they do anything?
  
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I did pay with a debit card through PayPal. I guess that was a mistake. I opened a dispute and escalated it to a claim. They give the seller a certain amount of time and then make the decision themselves in this case, as far as I understand. Any additional info will help from experienced members. Should I notify my bank, can they do anything?
I will pm you my phone number.
Just finished my only Paypal problem ever, which was a 6-week ordeal on a Joss West I paid for through a debit card.
I am now very well versed on what and how things can go wrong during a Paypal dispute, and it is incredible what can happen.
For instance, the case was closed 3-times behind my back.
Too much stuff for me to type, 8-days of hell toward the end of the 6-weeks, but I stayed with it and won.
I would not of been able to stay with it if I was still working and playing pool every night.
The real problem with using a debit card is that you have to fight the battle yourself.
When you use a credit card, they fight the battle for you.
Paypal isn't as sophisticated as you would think when dealing with these disputes, and on several occasions they looked to be subjective in their decisions, and pretty stupid as well.


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07-01-2014, 03:52 AM

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Crap like this is why it's so hard for an honest guy like me to make a deal on this site.
Don't be too quick to judge my friend.. there are several guys on this site that are full of integrity..
  
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