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01-26-2012, 10:23 PM

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Yup, you give that cue to Ernie plus 10K and he could rework it (starting with the band saw) and make you your Rasputin.

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the ring work can barely be felt... I just stated it to be sure any potential buyer was fully aware of everything about the cue!
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Mods????? Wtf? - 01-26-2012, 10:50 PM

MY 2cents...

Regardless of the quality of this cue or the price that is being asked for it, how is it okay for some of the AZ elite to bash a person's f/s thread when it clearly states in the 'rules' that negative comments have no place in someone elses thread???

This is the kind of stuff that makes a lot of us smaller fish on AZ sick....the big dogs are above the law and can do and say whatever they want.

Tribute, knockoff, whatever!!! If you don't want to buy the guy's cue or don't have anything positive to say then stay the hell out of the thread. Right??

I know this won't make me any friends among the A-holes but oh well....

The more time I spend on the forum the more it becomes obvious that there are obvious double standards. Where the hell are the mods in this???? Every post to this thread that bashed the sell should have been deleted according to the rules of the forum. Who is protecting this guys right to sell his damn cue without having to defend himself against a few that feel in nesseccary to piss in his cornflakes???

What a bunch of shit IMO....
  
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01-26-2012, 10:57 PM

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MY 2cents...

Regardless of the quality of this cue or the price that is being asked for it, how is it okay for some of the AZ elite to bash a person's f/s thread when it clearly states in the 'rules' that negative comments have no place in someone elses thread???

This is the kind of stuff that makes a lot of us smaller fish on AZ sick....the big dogs are above the law and can do and say whatever they want.

Tribute, knockoff, whatever!!! If you don't want to buy the guy's cue or don't have anything positive to say then stay the hell out of the thread. Right??

I know this won't make me any friends among the A-holes but oh well....

The more time I spend on the forum the more it becomes obvious that there are obvious double standards. Where the hell are the mods in this???? Every post to this thread that bashed the sell should have been deleted according to the rules of the forum. Who is protecting this guys right to sell his damn cue without having to defend himself against a few that feel in nesseccary to piss in his cornflakes???

What a bunch of shit IMO....
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01-26-2012, 11:02 PM

Geeeeeez theres some knockers in here. It's against forum rules.

Ban em all.


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01-26-2012, 11:33 PM

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MY 2cents...

Regardless of the quality of this cue or the price that is being asked for it, how is it okay for some of the AZ elite to bash a person's f/s thread when it clearly states in the 'rules' that negative comments have no place in someone elses thread???

This is the kind of stuff that makes a lot of us smaller fish on AZ sick....the big dogs are above the law and can do and say whatever they want.

Tribute, knockoff, whatever!!! If you don't want to buy the guy's cue or don't have anything positive to say then stay the hell out of the thread. Right??

I know this won't make me any friends among the A-holes but oh well....

The more time I spend on the forum the more it becomes obvious that there are obvious double standards. Where the hell are the mods in this???? Every post to this thread that bashed the sell should have been deleted according to the rules of the forum. Who is protecting this guys right to sell his damn cue without having to defend himself against a few that feel in nesseccary to piss in his cornflakes???

What a bunch of shit IMO....


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01-26-2012, 11:33 PM

More trolls in here than warcraft mikey lol, I sincerely apologize to Pockets for this because this is NOT what AZ is suppose to be about.


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01-27-2012, 06:14 AM

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More trolls in here than warcraft mikey lol, I sincerely apologize to Pockets for this because this is NOT what AZ is suppose to be about.
i couldn't agree more, it's not like Gerry made the damn thing, or had it made like that. he's just trying to sell a cue.

the cue wasn't misrepresented in any way, it's not like he's trying to pass it off as a real gina.

IMHO in regard to knockoffs, tributes, etc. it's really a non issue. those who want and can afford a specific makers cue, will buy that cue. if there are copies of the same looking cue available for cheaper, it wouldn't change things one bit. when you're looking at Szamboti's, Hercek's, Gina's etc. your buying into the Brand - it's legacy, craftsmanship, etc. like buying a Ferrari.

i don't think Ferrari cares either that there's kit cars available out there. because they know that under the skin, it's a PONTIAC FIERO.

Good luck with moving your cue Gerry, i'm sure you'll find a home for it, i'll bet there are plenty of Canucks who would like a nice looking cue like that but can't buy one being worried about all the CITES regulations.
  
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01-27-2012, 06:24 AM

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What a bunch of shit IMO....
Seriously. The W/FS section is turning into the WTF?!? section
  
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01-27-2012, 07:36 AM

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MY 2cents...

Regardless of the quality of this cue or the price that is being asked for it, how is it okay for some of the AZ elite to bash a person's f/s thread when it clearly states in the 'rules' that negative comments have no place in someone elses thread???

This is the kind of stuff that makes a lot of us smaller fish on AZ sick....the big dogs are above the law and can do and say whatever they want.

Tribute, knockoff, whatever!!! If you don't want to buy the guy's cue or don't have anything positive to say then stay the hell out of the thread. Right??

I know this won't make me any friends among the A-holes but oh well....

The more time I spend on the forum the more it becomes obvious that there are obvious double standards. Where the hell are the mods in this???? Every post to this thread that bashed the sell should have been deleted according to the rules of the forum. Who is protecting this guys right to sell his damn cue without having to defend himself against a few that feel in nesseccary to piss in his cornflakes???

What a bunch of shit IMO....
I Concur; rep to you and everyone who agrees.
What a dick thing to do to a guys thread.
Take your design theft threads to "elsewhere", or take it to the Main forum.

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01-27-2012, 07:55 AM

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I'm bad and now the OP is punishing us my taking away our opportunity to buy his cheap copy of a Gina complete with ring pop and epoxy filled inlays.

Sorry guys, I didn't know he'd take his ball and go home.

Good news is I'm sure you can all PM him and buy that complete POS for 3K.

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01-27-2012, 07:58 AM

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Gerry

Rambow is dead and Ernie is not. If one wanted a Rasputin cue one could order one from a living breathing cue maker, the one that invented this cue, Ernie. Your cue is not built in the style of Ernie, is as an complete copy of a cue Ernie still makes and sells. There's a difference between building a cue based on a style and adding or enhancing it, somehow putting your spin on the design, or just flat completely copying it. If you can't see that, well then you can't, although your vision might be clouded in this case by what you are looking to sell.

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Again, the only perceived difference is death. So a cue makers demise, followed by a "to be determined" time frame, is the only acceptable circumstance to copy his work? I'm sorry, but now you are "splitting hairs".

Did anyone jump on Tad's rear for copying Martin? Did anyone jump on Jerry's rear for copying Kers? Before you bring it up, I know these guys are a direct product of their mentors. So, let's play devil's advocate: if Viattorre had apprenticed with Gina, would this "tribute" be OK in your eyes?

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I have reported this thread, and all posts (including my own) not associated with the sale.

It is a load of crap.

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01-27-2012, 08:03 AM

I've never understood when people get offended because of a price of a cue or the cue itself.If its within the boundaries of the forum rules,who cares?Just like T.V,if you don't like the channel, just change it!
  
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01-27-2012, 08:33 AM

Yeah guys, I get the rules, knew them before I originally posted, knew it was a knock, and posted it anyway. The OP certainly had the right to report me to the mods and see their decision, he decided instead to withdraw the cue.

If someone posted for sale a cue you knew to be stolen would it be a knock to mention it? I think not.

If someone posted a cue you knew to be seriously flawed as perfect is it a knock to mention it, I think not. I think its protection of our community, but I also realize that not everyone thinks the way I do.

This cue was to me, a stolen design, so I mentioned it, the OP asked me to stop and I did, a few people joined in, he withdrew his cue and I thought it was a chance to say what I really thought.

To anyone that thinks that this cue's situation is somehow analogous to TAD/Martin or Franklin/Kershenbock, those situations are so different from this that it seems silly to mention them so I won't, but can you imagine anyone selling a TAD without putting TAD's name in the title?, selling a Franklin without his name or his brand name in the title?

The seller here had a cue that was made as a complete copy of a living HOF cue maker's most famous design without that maker's permission. The seller, who now states he he so proud of the quality of the copier's work, didn't even bother mentioning the maker's name in the title of his for sale thread. The builder stole Ernie's design, the seller used Ernie's name in his title in order to sell the copy. Calling that a "tribute"to Ernie seemed more than a little disingenuous to me, so I mentioned it.

Ernie copyrights a lot of his stuff, and does the work to update them and keep them current. He guards his brand, which has made him very successful, as jealously as Chanel or Tiffany guards theirs. For all I know, he might have rights on the Rasputin design and a legal claim on that cue, I haven't asked him because after the OP withdrew the cue there were no pics to show him.

Sorry to ruffle feathers. Anyone that feels the seller was actually harmed has to think the seller could have been successful in selling his cheap knock off with ring pop for 3K (a fact I didn't mention when he actually had the cue for sale).

Sorry guys, I thought selling a stolen design cue was like selling a stolen cue. The seller certainly could have reported my original post to the mods and if they thought it was a knock, they would have deleted it. He didn't go that way.

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Yeah guys, I get the rules, knew them before I originally posted, knew it was a knock, and posted it anyway. The OP certainly had the right to report me to the mods and see their decision, he decided instead to withdraw the cue.

If someone posted for sale a cue you knew to be stolen would it be a knock to mention it? I think not.

If someone posted a cue you knew to be seriously flawed as perfect is it a knock to mention it, I think not. I think its protection of our community, but I also realize that not everyone thinks the way I do.

This cue was to me, a stolen design, so I mentioned it, the OP asked me to stop and I did, a few people joined in, he withdrew his cue and I thought it was a chance to say what I really thought.

To anyone that thinks that this cue's situation is somehow analogous to TAD/Martin or Franklin/Kershenbock, those situations are so different from this that it seems silly to mention them so I won't, but can you imagine anyone selling a TAD without putting TAD's name in the title?, selling a Franklin without his name or his brand name in the title?

The seller here had a cue that was made as a complete copy of a living HOF cue maker's most famous design without that maker's permission. The seller, who now states he he so proud of the quality of the copier's work, didn't even bother mentioning the maker's name in the title of his for sale thread. The builder stole Ernie's design, the seller used Ernie's name in his title in order to sell the copy. Calling that a "tribute"to Ernie seemed more than a little disingenuous to me, so I mentioned it.

Ernie copyrights a lot of his stuff, and does the work to update them and keep them current. He guards his brand, which has made him very successful, as jealously as Chanel or Tiffany guards theirs. For all I know, he might have rights on the Rasputin design and a legal claim on that cue, I haven't asked him because after the OP withdrew the cue there were no pics to show him.

Sorry to ruffle feathers. Anyone that feels the seller was actually harmed has to think the seller could have been successful in selling his cheap knock off with ring pop for 3K (a fact I didn't mention when he actually had the cue for sale).

Sorry guys, I though selling a stolen design cue was like selling a stolen cue.

Kevin
Who exactly were you trying to protect? The seller did not misinform anyone from what I read. He laid it out in detail information what the cues is. I personally would not buy a cue that is a direct copy of another work but to each his own, he still has a right to sell cues without getting bashed. There's another cue for sale that's a "Southwest" tribute but I didn't see you post there.


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