I've known Shane since he started playing. He told me he'd never wanted to b^*ch-slap someone so bad in his life as he did that Grabe a-hole.
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On this occasion, the tournament director was not called over at all. The judgement call of "no foul" was made by the presiding referee, who prioritized what he believed to be fair over the letter of the law. Was this handled acceptably in your view?
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Implement fouls
There is a similar precedent in the case of World Cup of Pool England A v Romania (2015)
In rack 5, Romanian player accidentally left his cue extension near rail and ball hit it. Referee Nigel immediately called foul https://youtu.be/0YXheh7Pg_w?t=2274
But in that case, the cue extension was player own implement whereas the template is a neutral implement in the case of Grabe v Dechaine (2016). If the ref was the one racking , it would not have been ruled a foul. It could be argued that Grabe was performing a neutral role or wearing the hat of ref when he was racking so it should not be ruled a foul ?
(The irony is Romania were themselves beneficiary of a cue foul in their previous World Cup of Pool Romania v Indonesia (2015) when Indonesian player inadvertently marked the table with his cue when his partner was shooting https://youtu.be/DL7Elgts4Xo?t=3022 )
There is a similar precedent in the case of World Cup of Pool England A v Romania (2015)
In rack 5, Romanian player accidentally left his cue extension near rail and ball hit it. Referee Nigel immediately called foul https://youtu.be/0YXheh7Pg_w?t=2274
But in that case, the cue extension was player own implement whereas the template is a neutral implement in the case of Grabe v Dechaine (2016). If the ref was the one racking , it would not have been ruled a foul. It could be argued that Grabe was performing a neutral role or wearing the hat of ref when he was racking so it should not be ruled a foul ?
(The irony is Romania were themselves beneficiary of a cue foul in their previous World Cup of Pool Romania v Indonesia (2015) when Indonesian player inadvertently marked the table with his cue when his partner was shooting https://youtu.be/DL7Elgts4Xo?t=3022 )
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There is a similar precedent in the case of World Cup of Pool England A v Romania (2015)
In rack 5, Romanian player accidentally left his cue extension near rail and ball hit it. Referee Nigel immediately called foul https://youtu.be/0YXheh7Pg_w?t=2274
But in that case, the cue extension was player own implement whereas the template is a neutral implement in the case of Grabe v Dechaine (2016). If the ref was the one racking , it would not have been ruled a foul. It could be argued that Grabe was performing a neutral role or wearing the hat of ref when he was racking so it should not be ruled a foul ?
(The irony is Romania were themselves beneficiary of a cue foul in their previous World Cup of Pool Romania v Indonesia (2015) when Indonesian player inadvertently marked the table with his cue when his partner was shooting https://youtu.be/DL7Elgts4Xo?t=3022 )
Thanks for the insights. These situations sometimes make my head spin.
I was there ringside for that match, and I immediately piped up with, "He's just trying to get in your head, Shane.. Don't let him do it!"
And... Shane didn't! He beat Grabe that set.
Thanks for sharing your point of view here, Jay. Fans struggle to understand these situations at times.
Stu,
These are some strong words by a man with a such a storied background in watching professional pool. This is also why I continue to be a faithful subscriber to Pat’s AccuStats video on demand. When he posts the International Open matches to the list of on-demand videos, I’m going to these matches first off your review.
Thanks for the review and notes. Very much appreciated.
happened to me long ago
I had somebody be a total a-hole playing me in the finals of a tournament. At that point in time I would have decked him but I had a problem. A friend I had known for many years had recently bought the place and was using the tournaments to promote his business. He didn't need a fight in the place at all, particularly during a tournament. I felt like my hands were tied in a manner they wouldn't be anywhere else. Because of that, I did let my emotions get the better of me and lost the match. It was a small event and I was winning too regularly anyway. I told my friend don't sweat the second place payout, I was coming win the event the next week.
Anger often made me play better. Anger and the feeling of helplessness burned me that time. I never let it happen again so it was a cheap lesson. Never saw the a-hole again either, I would have decked him just on general principles if I had ran into him!:grin: I have to admit there are times I miss the old days when you could hit someone that richly deserved it without facing a lawsuit and criminal charges.
Hu
I had somebody be a total a-hole playing me in the finals of a tournament. At that point in time I would have decked him but I had a problem. A friend I had known for many years had recently bought the place and was using the tournaments to promote his business. He didn't need a fight in the place at all, particularly during a tournament. I felt like my hands were tied in a manner they wouldn't be anywhere else. Because of that, I did let my emotions get the better of me and lost the match. It was a small event and I was winning too regularly anyway. I told my friend don't sweat the second place payout, I was coming win the event the next week.
Anger often made me play better. Anger and the feeling of helplessness burned me that time. I never let it happen again so it was a cheap lesson. Never saw the a-hole again either, I would have decked him just on general principles if I had ran into him!:grin: I have to admit there are times I miss the old days when you could hit someone that richly deserved it without facing a lawsuit and criminal charges.
Hu
Agree with how it should be, but countless players still leave the rack on top of one of the rails. I do understand the philosophy behind calling it a foul even though it would be hard to argue that the path of a ball is modified perceptibly when it runs into a template that overhangs a rail. Still, the rule is the rule and players need to know it and live with it. Sounds like the Euros do it right.
I'm don't think Kazakis felt the right call had been made. He did choose to abide by the referee's decision, but he was visibly upset.
I fear that Pagulayan vs Bergman, which was contested on an outer table, may not have been recorded at all. Guess we'll find out soon enough.