Banking and Kicking using angle in angle out correctly...

TheBook

Ret Professional Goof Off
Silver Member
I would think it is not symmetrical because of the friction induced spin from hitting the rail, the rail forces against the ball after it hits rail, the slide of the ball after it hits the rail and forward arch on the cue ball as the forward roll after it hits the rail wears off, x's that by 3 as it hits each rail.

Place a ball on the table against the rail. If you roll the ball to the end rail on a 9 ft table how far did it roll? It rolled 97 3/4 inches and not 100 inches. You can get this distant by measuring from the front edge of the ball to the edge of the opposite rail. Or you can measure the wear grove that shows where the base (tangent line of the center) of the ball always is from the edge of the rail.

When you do the same on the short side a ball will roll 47 3/4 " it does not roll 50 inches.

Think of a car that has its back bumper against a pole and the space between that pole and another is 30 ft. If the front bumper hits the other pole the car did not travel 30 ft. It traveled 30 feet minus the length of the car. So when the CB rolls around the table it is not traveling on a surface that is 2 times its width.

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Jaden

"no buds chill"
Silver Member
precisely...

I get what you're saying I think.

Visually, the contact point for a narrow angle kick,
is not that far from the middle of the cue ball and the line you want to aim.
Whereas for a wider angle kick, it's quite a difference.

But I think the single biggest challenge for kicking is accounting for the natural
shortening effect that rail compression causes. All banks start out going
a bit shorter than "angle in = angle out". They get "cupped" by the rubber
in the cushion and this sends them away from the rail at a sharper angle
than the normal mirror angle.

Then, if you have low speed or topspin, or if they're sliding but pick up
some topspin after travelling a ways, they might widen/lengthen out,
and end up back on the mirror angle.

But a lot of banks have none of the above and are always going to be shorter
than the mirror angle, so you have to compensate by hitting further up the rail
or using just the right amount of outside. Either of which require feel.

For very wide angles, especially at low speed,
the "cupping effect" is not so bad and the the cue ball
actually comes off the rail pretty close to the mirror angle.
And most people try that railfirst kick at very wide angles.
But they miss anyway. Why?

Because a lot of people misunderstand the basic imaginary mirror ball system
taught in books and online. They imagine a ball that is "mirrored" on the other
side of the cushion. Then they aim straight at this imaginary ball.
But if you do that, and the angle in = angle out, then you hit the object
ball right smack in the face. You aren't cutting it to the hole.
So you have to aim to CUT the imaginary ball, which is a little trickier.

http://i.imgur.com/du3NDYV.jpg

That's exactly right, and remember I prefaced the original post with the fact that by necessity, banks and kicks are the shots in pool that require the most feel to get right...This is just a way to have a baseline you can confidently adjust from with experience...

Jaden
 
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