Be careful of counterfeits

How do you know they are counterfeit....... and what are the chances thet the cues he is rafflin off are counterfeit?????

were these cases listed as JB shop cases or just j flowers tributes?

Well the Brand "J Flowers Tribute" is exclusively distributed by JB and Sterling. So it is listed as that and they are saying they are counterfit so either way listed the way they are they are incorrect.

So I won a fake case? Are these authentically manufactured and just not going through the proper sales channel?

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Monstermash and I are thinking the same way I believe - I meant in context not the brand...

was the listing willingly intended to misrepresent a JB shop flowers case OR was it just a flowers tribute case as other case makers have done...

Before publicly posting your announcement as a fake what measures did you take to contact and discuss the matter with tasaddicts?

i'm curious, are they fakes made by the same company who makes yours only that company sells them also? or are they made by someone else altogether?

is this an indication of some other internal issues?


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Maybe they are a tribute to a tribute.

I would like to hear tasaddicts out.

the following was sent to me via PM and I feel others should have access to the same info - so I am sharing it via copy/paste with no editing/additions on my part.....

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The cases bear the J.Flowers trademark. They were not made by John Barton nor Jiasen. Thus they are counterfeits. "J.Flowers" is the brand/trademark. Same as Nike.

The seller knows that the cases are fake. I asked him about it and his response indicated that he doesn't care.

He knows full well that if the cases did not have the J.Flowers brand on them then he would not be able to get the money he has gotten out of them.

John Barton and the distributor Sterling Gaming have already confirmed that they cases are fakes. What is the problem here?

The seller has altered the current raffle to reflect the situation. Why doesn't he respond?

The only plausible explanation and the one I see coming is that he was duped by whomever supplied him the cases. But his response to me leads me to believe that he knew and doesn't care.

Furthermore I think that the Predator cases he is selling are counterfeit as well. I have reported him to Predator so that they can make that determination for themselves.


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Monstermash said:

What's interesting is I received almost the same pm but it wasn't from the original poster. It was from another member with only 2 posts. I'm not quite sure what's going on here but something is more than a little fishy IMO.

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Your pm came from John Barton. He and Karen Barton are currently banned so he needed to send it to you under another account.

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Monstermash said:

Well that's also interesting because he keeps sending me emails asking me to contact John Barton. Additionally, he is very hypocritical by stating that the counterfeits are not licensed to use the J. Flowers name but aren't the "tribute" cases using the name without permission and thinking it's ok because they call it a tribute?

Regardless, I think it's a little funny that we haven't heard from the person running the raffle. I would really like to hear his take on this.

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Sir or Miss,

I was trying to relate to you what I learned from John Barton when I emailed him. I suggested to you that you should email him if you want to hear his take on this and provided you the email address.

I explained to you that the whole story behind the name and the controversy is at the JB Cases website if you cared to read it.

To give you short version again, "J.Flowers" is the brand. There has never been a Flowers brand of case on the market. The original brand was J.E.F. Q Cases, as explained on John's website. You don't appear to understand anything about trademark law but there is no infringement from what I can see. I do not intend to argue with you about this and would suggest that you do a little research before accusing John Barton of theft.

I also would like to hear what the seller has to say. When I sent him a pm earlier in the day the answer I got back indicated to me that he knows that the cases are fake and he doesn't care. Maybe I read that wrong but in any event I won't be buying one from him.

How can someone tell if they have a fake? I traded a cue for a 3x6 a few months back, just curious if I've been had??

TBON21 said:

How can someone tell if they have a fake? I traded a cue for a 3x6 a few months back, just curious if I've been had??

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YOu are the one holding the case!

TBON21 said:

How can someone tell if they have a fake? I traded a cue for a 3x6 a few months back, just curious if I've been had??

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Send a picture to John Barton. His website is www.jbcases.com His email is jb at jbideas.com He will tell you.