Anyone else had a player get their Fargo raised after registering their team for the BCA Nationals in Vegas?
fargo rating raises after BCA Registration
- Thread starter Rob Williams
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Is the new rating more in line with the actual player skill? This a new player or established with hundreds of games in the system? Fargo facebook page does a pretty good job of answering things, send them a facebook message.
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Fargo ratings are recalculated (and they can change) daily, whether you play or not.
Fargo ratings are recalculated (and they can change) daily, whether you play or not.
Day to day changes are likely to be small unless some substantial number of games are entered into the system, or the manually selected starter rating is changed.
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I believe what they did was review your starter guess and put it more in line with your performance rating that is based on 117 games. You don't yet have a Fargo Rating.
One of the players on my team has only played in our in-house league and was started out as a 631, then after registering and 8 days before the event he gets raised to a 663 solely because of his league stats. This put us just over the 3000 limit and into the Platinum Division. It is an in-house league with 4 teams , with low handicapped players making up the majority of the league. In no way in this player a 663, more like a 563.Just wondered how often this happens?
League stats as in win-loss record only? Or was it his overall strength of record based on the strength of his league opponents? If it's the latter then that's fine, the former is seriously problematic.
League stats can have a lot of great information that should be included in ratings when possible.
Lots of people think "no way player X has rating Y" but the data often suggests otherwise.
How can anyone tell the strength of opponents without knowing the players? His handicap in this league was a 9, the average handicap is a 7.5. His handicap is going to be high because of the strength of the other players.In another league where there are tougher players, he is a 7 because of the tough competition. He was bumped up higher than a local pro ability player who also just won the Iowa State Advanced 9 ball singles tournament, he is a 640, my player was bumped to a 663 and has no chance to beat the 640.The worst part is finding out 8 days before the event, we are open players and would never have booked trips if we knew we had to play in the platinum.
It does seem strange to me that league stats would then have the same amount of weight that known performance in tournaments would have. Don't tournaments that report to Fargo have pretty good size and fields? To equally compare that to an in-house league with 3 other teams does not seem like fair weighting?
Unless every member of those 3 other teams (and your friend's own team) are living on a deserted island and have never played anyone else in the Fargo system then the league results will be useful in improving the predicted rating.
So, a weak in house league results show you to be a super star and thus a 663, however you win a state singles advanced tourney, national bca team tourney, a pro tourney, known ability out the wazoo and you are rated lower than the league superstar? Makes zero sense.
You may be right but without more information about the players involved, the league involved, and how each one's starter ratings were chosen it's hard for any of us to know what's really going on.
At any rate, issues surrounding the starter rating are probably the biggest challenge for Fargo and its use in big tournaments. In a normal BCA league, it would take about 5 seasons of play to accumulate enough games for the starter rating to lose its impact.
It sounds like there are many instances of organizers analyzing games in the system and resetting the starter rating to match those actual game results - which suggests that the starter rating limit should be lower (perhaps much lower) than 200 games.
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With how Fargo works, for this player to be jumped up this high he must have been destroying the other players with 5-1, 5-2 wins all the time. Otherwise those local players with low handicaps would not have been able to raise his Fargo.
If you play in an area with level 450s and you beat them in close matches, you will be higher than them but not a 600. 5-3, 5-4 wins, will mean you were pretty close, so you would be a 500. If you play 450s, and only 450s but you beat them 5-1, 5-2 most of the time, then you can be a 600.
This is why these league handicaps are useless for the most part, you said he was a 9, that means nothing to how he actually plays since it's a local league with who knows what handicap for the players. You need to use actual absolute skill, ABCD ratings. If this guy can run out 9 ball racks, beat the 8 or 9 ball ghost, that is about a 650 Fargo. A player = 650 Fargo. Can this player run out pretty well? You keep break and run stats for the league? How well is he in that? How is his games won vs games lost ratio?
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The in house league is 8 ball, you get 10 points for a win, the loser gets 7-minus the number of balls left on the table, you play 4 games a night.Break and run stats are not kept, just win/ loss and total points.This summer he has played 5 times{ 20 games} his record is 12/8 with 168 points. He is no where near beating the ghost, might break and run 1 in 12 racks if lucky.