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11-29-2018, 05:05 PM

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Nice post Jay. But, what do you mean Mosoni didn't start with a break shot? How did he start his runs in exhibition ?
From Willie's Game, by Willie Mosconi and Stanley Cohen:

"I was playing a two-hundred-point match against an amateur by the name of Earl Bruney in the East High Billiard Club. He made three balls off the break, then I ran two hundred and just kept going."
  
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11-29-2018, 09:03 PM

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It wasn't an exhibition. It was just a fun run. Part of the story is that no one except the shooter saw the whole run. Mosconi may have run over 600 with Charlie Ursitti watching, but again, it was just a fun run.

There are stories of fun runs over 1000. I don't believe them.

The BCA seems to have stopped keeping records, so even if John does put up a 603, it's not clear that anyone official will sprinkle holy water on it. Or even J.T.S. Brown.

A friend of mine happened to be in Syracuse and watched Cranfield practice five nights in a row. Every night Cranfield ran over 200. Cranfield had the percentages and the time on the table to put up a very large run and I believe he did. For fun.
Running 700+ balls certainly qualifies as "fun" in *my* book!




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John Schmidt had a 177 and a 283 yesterday.
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Willie always had an opponent...he started with whatever shot the guy left him.
OH, good to know. I was not even thinking he was playing anyone, just doing a "solo" exhibition. Did he just play a local at all the exhibitions ?


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OH, good to know. I was not even thinking he was playing anyone, just doing a "solo" exhibition. Did he just play a local at all the exhibitions ?
Willie nearly always played some local person who was there to hold a stick. Willie was not shy, according to lots of reports, about letting the stick holder know who the people came to watch in case the stick holder got a little frisky.


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11-30-2018, 02:27 PM

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I agree that todays top players should play the same table set up that Mosconi played.
However, they should also use the same type of pool cues and equipment that Mosconi used when he did the run.
I agree, but there will always be somebody who disputes something.

He didn't have the same taper on his shaft, his cue was heavier/lighter, the chalk was different, he played with better lighting conditions, he was taller, he was shorter, he was slimmer, he was fatter, he didn't eat the same thing Willie ate that day, the pool room was cooler/hotter, the crowd was too loud/quiet, etc., etc., etc.

I think Willie's record will NEVER be broken because nobody can, or will, ever duplicate all the conditions.

Global warming will prevent it. The barometric pressure isn't the same or the core of the Earth is warmer. Or Willie thought the Earth was round and the guy trying to break the record may think the Earth is flat.
  
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11-30-2018, 02:30 PM

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I agree, but there will always be somebody who disputes something.

He didn't have the same taper on his shaft, his cue was heavier/lighter, the chalk was different, he played with better lighting conditions, he was taller, he was shorter, he was slimmer, he was fatter, he didn't eat the same thing Willie ate that day, the pool room was cooler/hotter, the crowd was too loud/quiet, etc., etc., etc.

I think Willie's record will NEVER be broken because nobody can, or will, ever duplicate all the conditions.

Global warming will prevent it. The barometric pressure isn't the same or the core of the Earth is warmer. Or Willie thought the Earth was round and the guy trying to break the record may think the Earth is flat.
Don't forget there was probably no airconditioning....9 out of 10 rooms had none then.


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OH, good to know. I was not even thinking he was playing anyone, just doing a "solo" exhibition. Did he just play a local at all the exhibitions ?
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Willie nearly always played some local person who was there to hold a stick. Willie was not shy, according to lots of reports, about letting the stick holder know who the people came to watch in case the stick holder got a little frisky.
Willie could get upset if upstaged...
...a young Danny Diliberto was in the high 70s and Willie had the room owner inform
Danny that they weren't there to watch him....and Danny had to give up the table.


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Don't forget there was probably no airconditioning....9 out of 10 rooms had none then.
That is why I always had my cues made at 21 ounces and 14mm shafts. So I could knock the hell out of the cue ball on SLOW cloth and rails under those conditions.

Most of the bars and pool halls were like saunas way back then.
  
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Info on Willies Run from Wikipedia - 11-30-2018, 04:47 PM

526 high run

Mosconi set the world record by running 526 consecutive balls without a miss during a straight pool exhibition in Springfield, Ohio on March 19–20, 1954. To this day the record has not been toppled and many speculate it may never be bested. A handwritten and notarized affidavit with the signatures of more than 35 eyewitnesses exists as proof of this feat.

The record was set on a 4 × 8 foot Brunswick table with 5 1/4 inch corner pockets at the East High Billiard Club. Today's standard for tables may be considered more difficult to play on than this exhibition table in the sense that longer shots are required (today's standard tables are 9 x 4 1/2 ft) with 4 1/2 to 4 3/4 inch pockets, but today's tables may be considered easier to play on in the sense that there is more room for the balls to spread, creating unfettered shots. Mosconi competed successfully on 4 1/2 × 9 and 5 x 10 ft tables. The 526-ball record just happened to be on a 4 × 8 ft table, a size seldom used in professional play, but used for the billiard club exhibition that day. In fact, the room owner expected the exhibition to take place on the room's 9 foot table. That table was not a Brunswick, so Willie was required to play on one of the Brunswick 8 foot tables.
  
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11-30-2018, 06:09 PM

Mosconi would travel room to room and play the local favorite -- he had no input on who the local room put up against him.

Many of these guys could play and occasionally he'd get beat. It is unfair to say he just played someone who could hold a stick. And yes, sometimes he'd remind an opponent who the crowd was there to see if they spent too much time at the table either running balls or playing a lot of safeties and intention scratches.

There's a good Mosconi quote out there somewhere that I'm thinking of about playing amateurs in these exhibitions and how they all hoped to have their best day playing against him but I can't recall were I read it.

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Mosconi would travel room to room and play the local favorite -- he had no input on who the local room put up against him.

Many of these guys could played occasionally he'd get beat. It is unfair to say he just played someone who could hold a stick. And yes, sometimes he'd remind an opponent who the crowd was there to see if they spent too much time at the table either running balls or playing a lot of safeties and intention scratches.

There's a good Mosconi quote out there somewhere that I'm thinking of about playing amateurs in these exhibitions and how they all hoped to have their best day playing against him but I can't recall were I read it.

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I do have some sympathy for Willie’s position.
I feel room owners should be wise in their selection of Willie’s opponents....
...a capable player who understands the situation...it’s a Mosconi exhibition.

In his day, they used to say there were a whole flock of players just in NYC who could run
200 balls on any given day....wouldn’t matter who was holding the other cue.

Pat Howie outta Rochester only played Irving Crane once....to 200...Pat finished the game
In two visits....Irving barely got to double figures.


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Moscow's 526 - 11-30-2018, 06:56 PM

If I could run 526.....I would get to 525 , and miss on purpose to honor the great Mosconi and what he did for the game !!!

No one else should hold this record.


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If I could run 526.....I would get to 525 , and miss on purpose to honor the great Mosconi and what he did for the game !!!

No one else should hold this record.
If I could get to 526, I would never miss on purpose. I'd try to run another 526, or more.
  
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