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07-15-2019, 05:16 PM

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Ray Charles did pretty good at disproving that little truism.
Ray Charles on the Organ and Ronnie O on American 8 ball? Who did it better?
  
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07-15-2019, 05:22 PM

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Ray Charles on the Organ and Ronnie O on American 8 ball? Who did it better?
Ronnie OíSullivan has played very little American 8 Ball. When he has played it he has looked like a natural.
  
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07-15-2019, 05:25 PM

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Ronnie OíSullivan has played very little American 8 Ball. When he has played it he has looked like a natural.
He has looked great, although every now and then, he makes a regular cue ball look like a Big Rock, obviously that is to be expected.
  
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07-15-2019, 05:50 PM

If you want great commentary, someone needs to offer Neil Pickup enough cash....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jbdLsemfdw

When he was still competing, he would sometimes commentate his own matches...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9eP1ol_nR0
  
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07-16-2019, 02:32 AM

I was specifically targeting the "watching" part, not the game per se.

So please guys, don't talk about the game itself - we all know what Snooker and Pool and the players are all about.

And for sure, everybody has different likes. But as you see from previous comments, quite a few have a similar feeling about current state of affairs.
And it is undisputed that despite or because of its attire Snooker actually is successful.

Also dont forget - I have a European standpoint of formalism, restraint and quality

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This is why there is more than one type of beer and scotch being made. Snooker to me is like watching a straight pool match from 1920 with nicer cameras.
They are two separate games it's like trying to compare different types of car racing or baseball to cricket, football to rugby, wool to cotton. Each is it's own thing.
I actually think the camera work does a lot to improve the watching part of a Snooker game. It's focussed but not sensationally motivated. It makes you feel like you are a part of the match without getting personal.
It is pure craftmanship.

Pool commentating has too much been about the commentator showing off how he would solve the table.
It's not about explaining the current table, which is a big difference. And sorry, I'm simply not interested in the commentator, but in the currently involved players.

And boy, are they making a fuss about some (even rather easy) finesse shots, how difficult it is and blabla. Actually, they're runing the more interesting shots by that.
Most of the commentators are also in dire need to speak training!

Also I was making a comment on skills: please watch the players on the video I linked. Their cues are wobbling about, the are by far striking too much down on the ball, use too much force, have funky alignment... it's no fun.

The Canada team was better on that, but still the level is noticeable worse.
Honorable mention: CHILE was actually nice to watch.

On a more personal level I'd recommend to not read, let alone write, youtube comments. It's precious life time wasted.

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07-16-2019, 03:30 AM

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Nonsense.

Steve Davis played in a handful of 9 Ball World Championships. He made the quarter finals and the last 16 despite not practising the game. In one of those World Championships in Manila, he only played because he got knocked out of a snooker tournament - turned up completely jet lagged and looking like death but still did well. Tony Drago won the World Pool Masters. Mark Selby won world Championships in Snooker and English 8 Ball and was runner- up in Chinese 8 Ball. Neil Robertson went deep in Chinese 8 Ball and cut his gambling teeth playing pool in Australia. Ronnie OíSullivan played the IPT because there was money in it - watch this space, he will win a major pool tournament one day not because of the money but because he can.
Exactly.. our best American players canít even get on the tour let alone compete at that level in snooker. Our players make crap money. Snooker players make rock star money. If American players could play snooker they would. Plenty of snooker players have proven they would have no problem moving over to our game.


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Exactly.. our best American players canít even get on the tour let alone compete at that level in snooker. Our players make crap money. Snooker players make rock star money. If American players could play snooker they would. Plenty of snooker players have proven they would have no problem moving over to our game.
This is why, in my opinion, most American pool players seem to ignore the obvious benefits of learning to be a big time snooker player. This picture says it all.
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07-16-2019, 06:21 AM

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Also I was making a comment on skills: please watch the players on the video I linked. Their cues are wobbling about, the are by far striking too much down on the ball, use too much force, have funky alignment... it's no fun.

The Canada team was better on that, but still the level is noticeable worse.
Honorable mention: CHILE was actually nice to watch.

On a more personal level I'd recommend to not read, let alone write, youtube comments. It's precious life time wasted.

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So funny thing, this "perfect technique" is one of the reasons I am not a big fan of snooker or of robotic pool players. I don't want to see 20 players line up the same way and execute the same pre-shot routine with the same stroke. The new crop of players from Asia and Russia were bred to pool in basically factories standing in line 10 at a time, learning from the same instructor doing the same drills. Pretty much what they do in the snooker schools. It's like watching a robot doing free throws instead of watching humans play a basketball game. I don't WANT perfection in my sports, humans are not assembly line products. That is why players that learned on the road will always be more entertaining.


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07-16-2019, 06:26 AM

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It's like watching a robot doing free throws instead of watching humans play a basketball game. I don't WANT perfection in my sports, humans are not assembly line products.
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07-16-2019, 06:33 AM

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So funny thing, this "perfect technique" is one of the reasons I am not a big fan of snooker or of robotic pool players. I don't want to see 20 players line up the same way and execute the same pre-shot routine with the same stroke. The new crop of players from Asia and Russia were bred to pool in basically factories standing in line 10 at a time, learning from the same instructor doing the same drills. Pretty much what they do in the snooker schools. It's like watching a robot doing free throws instead of watching humans play a basketball game. I don't WANT perfection in my sports, humans are not assembly line products. That is why players that learned on the road will always be more entertaining.
tap, tap, tap. I can watch a baseball game and they don't all have the same swing. I don't get as excited as the baseball announcers when they keep harping on so and so player's lack of head movement during his swing, and that is why he hit that pitch, blah, blah, blah.

Guess what, they NEVER mention his steady mechanics when he strikes out 3 times in a game, or hits in an game ending double play. But, lucky for me we have 2 great TV announcers in baseball for the White Sox.... when I watch any other game it's like fingernails on a chalk board. And Joe Buck, .. just horrible.


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07-16-2019, 07:41 AM

Gotta admit, I have been watching more snooker than pool lately.


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07-16-2019, 07:44 AM

I like watching both. The production values of snooker is great for sure but I have to admit I enjoy the intimate experience of many pool matches and tournaments. Honesty, it would be really cool to see a Neil Robertson vs Judd Trump match in a TAR studio environment. So although I would like to see pool get some similar measure of success and get the big production values, it would be sad to lose some of those quiet matches in small environments.


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I want to see American games played on a snooker table by snooker pros.I'd be into that over tiny tip robot straight pool.
  
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I want to see American games played on a snooker table by snooker pros.I'd be into that over tiny tip robot straight pool.
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07-16-2019, 12:43 PM

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So funny thing, this "perfect technique" is one of the reasons I am not a big fan of snooker or of robotic pool player.
Nowhere near are they robotic and execute the same way.
And how they do shots and which ones and all that, highly different! There is a definitive style to each of em.

Even the Chinese players (Fu, Ding) that kind of started out identical - now that they are succesful - have diverged vastly and individual styles.
Robertson is so much different from a Trump and let alone O'Sullivan and Bingham.
And then look at the new talents, oh boy - Wilson and Brecel.

And then the old classics, Davis and Higgins.

To me, the American pool players play robotic and monotonic, because it's always the same angle and no no no, never interesting shots.

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