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Jump shot shenanigans with Alex P - 12-20-2019, 01:38 PM

Watch this, then go to the last comment thread where there are a few opinions if the shot Alex shot was a legal jump or not. Don't know if any of you guys also posted there but I did. And it actually changed my mind about this rule of jumping. For pretty much ever, I though the jump shot rule is that you had to strike the ball above center. After this video and the comments and reading the rules, the rules don't say that at all. They just say you can't hit low on the ball to scoop it or dig under it, not that you can't hit low on it at all. From what I see in the rule, as long as you drive the cueball into the slate with a downward stoke and the jump action is caused by it rebounding off the slate, you can hit anywhere on the ball you want.

There is a guy on there that keeps insisting that the rules state you have to hit from above on a jump shot, but the rules don't say that anywhere even though that would make it much clearer if they did if that was the intent of the rules.


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12-20-2019, 01:58 PM

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12-20-2019, 01:59 PM

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From what I see in the rule, as long as you drive the cueball into the slate with a downward stoke and the jump action is caused by it rebounding off the slate, you can hit anywhere on the ball you want.
This was my understanding as well. I've also seen Efren make that shot in LA in the early 2000s during a quick exhibition.



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12-20-2019, 02:09 PM

Been shooting the ball that way since the 90's nothing illegal about it.
  
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12-20-2019, 02:10 PM

Jump is a shot where the ball rebounds off the slate. Alexís shot is 100% legal. Guy commenting otherwise is a nit. [[[edit: also, they are referencing the old BCA rules, not the current CSI BCAPL rules. Any rebounding shot is legal. No reference to contact location.]

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12-20-2019, 02:14 PM

I've been shooting that as necessary since before the dead sea was sick. Success rate: I now know there are many easier ways to sell out..

He is shooting down on the CB and as all likely know, the less elevation of the cue, the less lift on the CB after impact. As one doesn't want to go over the first OB with the CB, less lift is appropriate.

Not sure how that would be a foul, if hard breaking from the rail isn't. That CB action is a similar amount of lift.
  
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12-20-2019, 02:17 PM

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Watch this, then go to the last comment thread where there are a few opinions if the shot Alex shot was a legal jump or not. Don't know if any of you guys also posted there but I did. And it actually changed my mind about this rule of jumping. For pretty much ever, I though the jump shot rule is that you had to strike the ball above center. After this video and the comments and reading the rules, the rules don't say that at all. They just say you can't hit low on the ball to scoop it or dig under it, not that you can't hit low on it at all. From what I see in the rule, as long as you drive the cueball into the slate with a downward stoke and the jump action is caused by it rebounding off the slate, you can hit anywhere on the ball you want.

There is a guy on there that keeps insisting that the rules state you have to hit from above on a jump shot, but the rules don't say that anywhere even though that would make it much clearer if they did if that was the intent of the rules.


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12-20-2019, 04:50 PM

I slowed down the video on my phone. It looks good based on what Iím looking for and I could be wrong. With a proper jump shot, the upward trajectory of the cueball is very similar to the downward angle of the stroke. A proper jump can be shallow. In my experience, a scoop shot has a disproportionate upward trajectory. I donít think thereís such thing as a shallow (illegal) scoop. At least without some amount of obvious miscue. And Alexís shot had a solid sound to the hit and not the tink of a miscue.

https://youtu.be/5cKruHYHqng

Otherwise I donít blame the commenter from thinking it was bad. It does have appearances of being borderline even if it was clean all day.


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12-20-2019, 08:02 PM

Holly shit I read about half of that guy's posts and had to stop. Definitely dense! Did he ever come to his senses? I'm not gonna read the rest, ha ha.
  
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12-20-2019, 08:28 PM

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This was my understanding as well. I've also seen Efren make that shot in LA in the early 2000s during a quick exhibition.
Iím sure you are aware of this shot at snooker....much easier to do....smaller ball...
...thicker cloth.
Dennis Taylor likes to jump a ball out of a triangle in exhibitions.

Hereís Dennis...youíll notice at 14.00 how easily he jumps...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Y9ZU4ECrA

Listen to the whole show...Dennis is a talented showman...heís funny


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12-20-2019, 08:50 PM

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12-20-2019, 08:51 PM

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Iím sure you are aware of this shot at snooker....much easier to do....smaller ball...
...thicker cloth.
Dennis Taylor likes to jump a ball out of a triangle in exhibitions.

Hereís Dennis...youíll notice at 14.00 how easily he jumps...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Y9ZU4ECrA

Listen to the whole show...Dennis is a talented showman...heís funny
Very cool! I have watched Dennis for years and had no idea he was so funny and talented at trick shots under pressure.


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12-20-2019, 09:02 PM

I read about that shot when Kieth McCreedy wrote for Billiards Digest I believe he did a full ball jump ,
I practiced it many times and have done it but only once in actual play it's a sell out shot more times obviously than not ,
Corey Duel the mad magician hit a similar shot where he hits a object in and bounces the cue ball up in the air and drops It in the center of the rack busting the rack wide open
  
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12-20-2019, 11:00 PM

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Iím sure you are aware of this shot at snooker....much easier to do....smaller ball...
...thicker cloth.
Dennis Taylor likes to jump a ball out of a triangle in exhibitions.

Hereís Dennis...youíll notice at 14.00 how easily he jumps...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Y9ZU4ECrA

Listen to the whole show...Dennis is a talented showman...heís funny

LOL.....

That is a great video, and exhibition!! Tap tap tap...

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... Listen to the whole show...Dennis is a talented showman...heís funny
Thanks, pt, that was fun.
  
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