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03-14-2019, 02:08 PM

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No, you're perhaps thinking of Talmudic Judaism, which views all the goyim ('cattle') as having inferior 'souls' comparable to beasts of the field, except actually demonic.

Islam does not hold such tenets, sfaik. Even when ISIS was killing their fellow Moslems, they did not outright kill the Yazidis. Wait--- the radical Islamacists of ISIS killed other Moslems? So how did they view them as humans, when non-Moslems weren't humans?
Your anti-Semitic response is duly noted.

https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Talmu...-human-animals

Moslems have killed each other since Ali split from the teachings of The Prophet. You think Sunni and Shiites are friends because they are Moslem?
You are also uninformed about the Yazidis. ISIL did not outright kill them? You might want to stay focused on politics and keep out of religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoci...azidis_by_ISIL


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03-14-2019, 02:24 PM

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Huh?

What exactly are you trying to say?

Or is it you don't really have anything to add so you just try to deflect and defend as normal.
I am explaining why I disagree with ChopDoc's explanation of why she said this.

Wasn't that clear enough? Did I forget to quote his post I was replying directly to or something?

Wait, I'll re-check to be sure. ETA: Yes, I clearly quoted him in that reply.


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03-14-2019, 02:40 PM

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No, you're perhaps thinking of Talmudic Judaism, which views all the goyim ('cattle') as having inferior 'souls' comparable to beasts of the field, except actually demonic.

Islam does not hold such tenets, sfaik. Even when ISIS was killing their fellow Moslems, they did not outright kill the Yazidis. Wait--- the radical Islamacists of ISIS killed other Moslems? So how did they view them as humans, when non-Moslems weren't humans?

That's funny because it was a Muslim that told me that, one of my clients..

I guess she wouldn't know being since she is Muslim.

She said it was the teaching of the Imam at her Mosque.

Of course, maybe she just learned it wrong or misunderstood. She's not too bright...a board certified internist. I mean, it's not like she's a cupping specialist or something.

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03-14-2019, 02:41 PM

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I am explaining why I disagree with ChopDoc's explanation of why she said this.

Wasn't that clear enough? Did I forget to quote his post I was replying directly to or something?

Wait, I'll re-check to be sure. ETA: Yes, I clearly quoted him in that reply.
Not my explanation. It is the explanation of an Imam at a US Mosque.

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03-14-2019, 02:59 PM

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If it's not her religion that makes her consider other humans animals, what is it then? Just hatred? Nastiness? She's not stupid. Maybe it's because he's friendly to jews and even welcomes them into his family.
Alan anyway you cut it up if you are not Islamic you are a infidel...If you think they want to live in harmony with none islamics your naive and so are those who think there will be a harmonious outcome with them.They do not want harmony they want Allah to be your God here and everywhere..If we keep kissing that ass it wont be long till we are in worse shape than Europe and God help the Christian and the Jew as they will have more tolerance for the Atheist and press even harder on the agnostic but of course there is always their slaves the liberal Democrats who are to chicken shit to admit they are pinkos...Just some friendly thoughts homie..

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03-14-2019, 03:53 PM

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Your anti-Semitic response is duly noted.

https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Talmu...-human-animals

Moslems have killed each other since Ali split from the teachings of The Prophet. You think Sunni and Shiites are friends because they are Moslem?
You are also uninformed about the Yazidis. ISIL did not outright kill them? You might want to stay focused on politics and keep out of religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoci...azidis_by_ISIL
There is a long history of Christian apologists (explainers), and the Jesuits perfected Christian casuistry. The Jesuits came up with an excuse to allow lying even under oath, by having 'a mental reservation.' That is why many oath recitations now ask that the witness swear he has no mental reservation. (Which won't work, btw, because you can also have a mental reservation about swearing you don't have a mental reservation. Derp!)

The Talmudic scholars and their other apologists can give the Jesuits the orange crush and still be odds on favorites. (Ok, maybe only the 7-out-- never underestimate the Jesuits!) That isn't anti-Semitic to say, but a compliment to their word-smithing and powers of argument. And to be clear, Talmudic scholarship is pursued by a tiny minority of Jews.

Arguments in the quora cite include:

No, the Talmud does not say such things, and it is only an anti-Semitic lie to claim so (but it does).

If it does say such things, they are allegories with deeper meanings and don't mean what they seem to mean (but that is untrue).

If they do mean that, it is not authoritative (but Maimonides is a most revered and learned rabbi of the highest repute).

Later arguments are not obviously false, and may even be true. That taking the Talmud as a whole, other passages contradict these abhorrent teachings that all date back to medieval times, and modern understanding rejects them. I would hope so! They should have started with these, since the others look like an attempted coverup.

But an Israeli Zionist author Israel Shahak's book Jewish History, Jewish Religion (1994) argued that the true historic anti-Gentile traditions of Talmudic Judaism guide Israeli policies regarding Gentiles into modern times. Here is a review and attempted rebuttal of his positions and evidence (which follow along the lines of what I said), which still stipulates that his cites of those Talmud passages is accurate.

It is quite clear that those old teachings abide into modern times, in some rabbis of considerable renown.

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Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, who died Monday at 93, was a revered halachic scholar whose rulings found solutions for Jews caught in complex situations, brought countless Jews back to Torah observance, and unified the diverse Sephardi community.

But Yosef was also known for some highly problematic statements about Jews, Arabs, Americans, and others. [...]

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”

“In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

“This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat… That is why gentiles were created.”

— Weekly Saturday night sermon in October 2010

from the https://www.timesofisrael.com/5-of-o...al-quotations/, 2013
ISIS did kill many of the Yazidis, but not immediately without quarter. That's what I meant by 'outright.' They killed the other Moslems immediately, on sight. They first offered many of the Yazidis their lives, if they would say the shahada and submit to dhimmitude status. Yes, and that was to be their slaves.


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03-14-2019, 04:23 PM

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there is a long history of christian apologists (explainers), and the jesuits perfected christian casuistry. The jesuits came up with an excuse to allow lying even under oath, by having 'a mental reservation.' that is why many oath recitations now ask that the witness swear he has no mental reservation. (which won't work, btw, because you can also have a mental reservation about swearing you don't have a mental reservation. Derp!)

the talmudic scholars and their other apologists can give the jesuits the orange crush and still be odds on favorites. (ok, maybe only the 7-out-- never underestimate the jesuits!) that isn't anti-semitic to say, but a compliment to their word-smithing and powers of argument. And to be clear, talmudic scholarship is pursued by a tiny minority of jews.

Arguments in the quora cite include:

No, the talmud does not say such things, and it is only an anti-semitic lie to claim so (but it does).

If it does say such things, they are allegories with deeper meanings and don't mean what they seem to mean (but that is untrue).

If they do mean that, it is not authoritative (but maimonides is a most revered and learned rabbi of the highest repute).

Later arguments are not obviously false, and may even be true. That taking the talmud as a whole, other passages contradict these abhorrent teachings that all date back to medieval times, and modern understanding rejects them. I would hope so! They should have started with these, since the others look like an attempted coverup.

But an israeli zionist author israel shahak's book jewish history, jewish religion (1994) argued that the true historic anti-gentile traditions of talmudic judaism guide israeli policies regarding gentiles into modern times. here is a review and attempted rebuttal of his positions and evidence (which follow along the lines of what i said), which still stipulates that his cites of those talmud passages is accurate.

It is quite clear that those old teachings abide into modern times, in some rabbis of considerable renown.



Isis did kill many of the yazidis, but not immediately without quarter. That's what i meant by 'outright.' they killed the other moslems immediately, on sight. They first offered many of the yazidis their lives, if they would say the shahada and submit to dhimmitude status. Yes, and that was to be their slaves.
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03-14-2019, 07:34 PM

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Your anti-Semitic response is duly noted.

https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Talmu...-human-animals

Moslems have killed each other since Ali split from the teachings of The Prophet. You think Sunni and Shiites are friends because they are Moslem?
You are also uninformed about the Yazidis. ISIL did not outright kill them? You might want to stay focused on politics and keep out of religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoci...azidis_by_ISIL
Tap, tap, tap!

He was only talking about the young Yazidi girls they enslaved as sex slaves before they died of lead poisoning.

Wondering if he is a Holocaust denier as well?


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03-14-2019, 08:07 PM

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This is based on Islamic beliefs and law.

Obama is the son of a Muslim, which makes him Muslim as far as Islam is concerned.

Trump is not.

This is quite simply the basis for her position on the matter and she quite sincerely believes what she said in a literal sense.

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He would claim to believe most ANYTHING in order to defend the State he worships and the leftist hacks he votes for.
The ignore function is the only way to deal with that level of disingenuousness.
I agree 100%.

What little he says here that may be "worthwhile" is completely negated by the preponderance of partisan pontificating and prevaricating bullshit he posts.
  
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I agree 100%.

What little he says here that may be "worthwhile" is completely negated by the
preponderance of partisan pontificating and prevaricating bullshit he posts.
Is that all there is?

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That's funny because it was a Muslim that told me that, one of my clients..

I guess she wouldn't know being since she is Muslim.

She said it was the teaching of the Imam at her Mosque.

Of course, maybe she just learned it wrong or misunderstood. She's not too bright...a board certified internist. I mean, it's not like she cuts grass for a living.

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You said that much better than I could.

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What little he says here that may be "worthwhile" is completely negated by the preponderance of partisan pontificating and prevaricating bullshit he posts.


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