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08-19-2016, 05:58 AM

The 400m is frozen Iranian assets, it's not and never was "our" money. The options are basically: Not pay, pay and get nothing, or time the payment as leverage to get our hostages back. To me it's a no brainer.

If that's ransom, it's reverse ransom. They used hostages to ransom their money back...lol.


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08-19-2016, 06:25 AM

No bank would touch the transfer, that's why it was all cash explained Obama. So they had a pallet of cash in the freezer for decades? Frozen assets are actually spoils of the war against terrorism. Iran is the world's leader in state sponsored terrorism.
  
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08-19-2016, 06:44 AM

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This was a deal between regimes, not the people those regimes leach off of. While the regimes themselves are entirely illegitimate, their dealings with each other might still follow an arc visually approximating legitimate deals. To wit:

- Right before the Iranian revolution, the old regime deposited $400 million with the US Department of Defense as advance payment for some fighter aircraft.

- After the new regime -- which claimed that it legitimately owned the assets the previous regime disposed of -- took power, US DoD declined to either deliver the planes or refund the money.

- Fast forward three decades and change, and the US and Iranian regimes are finally trying to kiss and make up a little bit. The US regime agrees to submit the affair of the $400 million and the fighter planes to arbitration, and the arbitration finds for the Iranian regime and the two regimes negotiate a settlement in the amount of the original $400 million principal plus $1.3 billion interest.

- The US regime then says "yes, we know we submitted the matter to arbitration, and yes, we know we settled with you, but we're not going to make the first payment (the original principal) until you do something else we demand."

- The Iranian regime complies with the demand and gets its money.

If things were done right, the people who originally accepted the deposit (instead of American taxpayers) would be on the hook for repaying the principal plus interest, and the repayment would go to the Iranian taxpayers and their heirs from whom the principal was originally stolen (instead of to the new Iranian regime).

But whether things are done right or not, the logic is pretty straightforward. Party A deposited money with Party B for something. It never received that something. It sued. Now Party B has to repay Party A, with interest.
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08-19-2016, 07:51 AM

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Four hostages.
Four hundred million.

Just a coincidence?
It is a coincidence...Unless the Iranians decided that they were speciafically going to hold hostage 1 person per 100 million they paid in the 1970's. As a left leaner..let me say. Even though its their money, we are giving back, it sure looks bad and will seem like a Ransom to many in the US.


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08-19-2016, 07:54 AM

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No bank would touch the transfer, that's why it was all cash explained Obama. So they had a pallet of cash in the freezer for decades? Frozen assets are actually spoils of the war against terrorism. Iran is the world's leader in state sponsored terrorism.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. The 400m was deposited from the Shah's regime, frozen since the Iranian revolution and now released under negotiations.

It has NOTHING to do with sanctions/assets seized under the Islamic Republic.


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08-19-2016, 07:56 AM

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You obviously don't know what you're talking about. The 400m was deposited from the Shah's regime, frozen since the Iranian revolution and now released under negotiations.

It has NOTHING to do with sanctions/assets seized under the Islamic Republic.
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It is a coincidence...Unless the Iranians decided that they were speciafically going to hold hostage 1 person per 100 million they paid in the 1970's. As a left leaner..let me say. Even though its their money, we are giving back, it sure looks bad and will seem like a Ransom to many in the US.
I can see both sides. We basically "played" with the money, since the arbitration didn't put stipulations on Iran. My guess is Iran knew the deal and accepted it.

As to the optics of how it all went down...the Venn diagram of people who are confused about the term "ransom" in this context probably overlap the people who think Obama is a Muslim Manchurian commie; in other words, who the f cares.


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You obviously don't know what you're talking about. The 400m was deposited from the Shah's regime, frozen since the Iranian revolution and now released under negotiations.

It has NOTHING to do with sanctions/assets seized under the Islamic Republic.
So the $400 million was not on a pallet and was transferred through the banking system at the time of the ransom payment?
  
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So the $400 million was not on a pallet and was transferred through the banking system at the time of the ransom payment?
It's cash on a pallet, so what?


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It's cash on a pallet, so what?
If we were holding the cash since the Shah's reign (40 years?) we probably quintupled it. We should have sent a thank you note along with the cash if that was the case.


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It's cash on a pallet, so what?
He couldn't use the banking system and pay US funds without involving Congress. He had to pay the ransom in cash. To the world's leader in state sponsored terrorism. You thick headed people don't follow the logic that they will continue to fund terrorism with that money. It's not theirs to kill more people by funding terror. Who the fuc gives terrorists money except those supporting terrorism?
  
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It is the reverse of a hostage deal.

In a hostage deal, the RELEASE of the detainees would be contingent upon the delivery of the money. This is not that, and is the opposite of that, by the clear language.

Or, you could say the delivery and release of the money was being held hostage to the accomplishment of the release. We were forcing them to do something, not the reverse.

Or so this report has it. If it is a correct characterization, it doesn't mean what you suppose it does.
Forcing them to do something? Or paying them to do something?


If it is a correct characterization, in may indeed mean what some people fear it means.

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08-19-2016, 09:45 AM

I was listening to Chris Plant today.
He said the actual total amount Iran got was around 1.6 billion.

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I was listening to Chris Plant today.
He said the actual total amount Iran got was around 1.6 billion.

Not sure the source of the number.
Sounds like the interest on the 400 mil. and 1.6 billion sounds about right if the money was held for 40 years.


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He couldn't use the banking system and pay US funds without involving Congress. He had to pay the ransom in cash. To the world's leader in state sponsored terrorism. You thick headed people don't follow the logic that they will continue to fund terrorism with that money. It's not theirs to kill more people by funding terror. Who the fuc gives terrorists money except those supporting terrorism?
uS taxpayers do that....or else, they're terrorized by the uS govt.

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