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08-19-2016, 11:53 AM

And for the same principle being violated with all you voters' encouragement and support, I must ask what gets tiring to continually ask sheep:


WHERE IS THE VICTIM WHEN I USE MY MONEY AS I SEE FIT?


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08-19-2016, 11:57 AM

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And for the same principle being violated with all you voters' encouragement and support, I must ask what gets tiring to continually ask sheep:


WHERE IS THE VICTIM WHEN I USE MY MONEY AS I SEE FIT?


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08-19-2016, 12:17 PM

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Gee, LIKE I SAID, following the "law" is a felony. Breaking the "law" is not, I guess, per you. Sorry for the confusion, glad you cleared all that up.

I feel safer, how about you?


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You could just admit you were in error, mentioning a felony crime that doesn't exist. Because you did just that. Obviously. We all make mistakes. It's usually better just to admit it straight up.

And then you still say that taking out $10k or more in cash is the crime, and forbidden by law as a felony? I see this is going south already.


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I don't know if this account is accurate or not. And I said so in my post, in effect, when I said 'if this report is true,' or words to that effect.

However, I do read English with comprehension. What it says is what I said it says, and people are reading it the opposite way because they cannot read and understand what they're reading, apparently.

I don't blame anyone for believing the report is a lie, and believing it is deliberately stating those events backwards. Maybe it is. But then put it that way. Don't tell me the report agrees with your opposite version, because it does not.

As to the truth of the report, I don't have an opinion. But as to what the report SAYS, I do have an opinion-- the one I stated-- and I absolutely believe my take on what it says is accurate.
You seem to be just about the only one that does not see this as a ransom payment...
http://www.investors.com/politics/co...-paid-to-iran/


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08-20-2016, 07:32 AM

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You could just admit you were in error, mentioning a felony crime that doesn't exist. Because you did just that. Obviously. We all make mistakes. It's usually better just to admit it straight up.

And then you still say that taking out $10k or more in cash is the crime, and forbidden by law as a felony? I see this is going south already.
OK, I was wrong. It's not a felony, but is an excuse for stealing one's life savings. I'm guessing that is labeled a misdemeanor?
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An Iowa woman who did not cheat on her taxes or launder money has had her entire life savings confiscated by the Internal Revenue Service simply because she deposited less than $10,000 at a time into the bank....
http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/irs-seize...s-under-10000/


Gee, I labeled the thieves ways improperly. What an error. I'm so sorry. Just what label would you statists put on the behavior of the govt you vote for when it does this to a Person who is just USING HER OWN MONEY FOR HER OWN DESIRES?

Now, the next thing: when will you guys apologize for labeling the nation state as "necessary," when it only steals, assaults, and murders, things never necessary?

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08-20-2016, 07:46 AM

Who has Iran ever attacked?
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They attack the United States of America every day through terrorists they bankroll. Deny and lie.
  
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They attack the United States of America every day through terrorists they bankroll. Deny and lie.
Iran funds Hezbollah primarily. I've read that they fund Hamas on a limited scale, when it suits Iran's purpose of Hamas acts against Israel. Hezbollah is fighting ISIS in Syria and Lebanon. Yes, it is a complicated mess.

If you want to say that Iran funds groups who have committed violence against the US or against US troops you would be correct. To say they attack the US daily is excessive and inflammatory rhetoric. The central issue between the US and Iran is, and will continue to be, related to religion, especially Israel, who is our close ally, but is a hated foe for Iran, which, inevitably, puts us at odds with Iran. But then, Iran is at war with ISIS, a bunch of Sunni crazies, so it is not just black and white, friend and foe.


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Iran funds Hezbollah primarily. I've read that they fund Hamas on a limited scale, when it suits Iran's purpose of Hamas acts against Israel. Hezbollah is fighting ISIS in Syria and Lebanon. Yes, it is a complicated mess.

If you want to say that Iran funds groups who have committed violence against the US or against US troops you would be correct. To say they attack the US daily is excessive and inflammatory rhetoric. The central issue between the US and Iran is, and will continue to be, related to religion, especially Israel, who is our close ally, but is a hated foe for Iran, which, inevitably, puts us at odds with Iran. But then, Iran is at war with ISIS, a bunch of Sunni crazies, so it is not just black and white, friend and foe.
It's the Saudis vs. Iran, and I think we are wise to take two steps back and reassess our traditional alliances in the ME.


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08-20-2016, 12:31 PM

I see.
And the U.S never ever funds anyone. Gotcha

Has Iran ever attacked anyone? You know. Made the first strike?
Occupied foreign countries?
You know, like the U.S. and Israel? LOL
  
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You seem to be just about the only one that does not see this as a ransom payment...
http://www.investors.com/politics/co...-paid-to-iran/
The truth is not usually determined by a majority vote. Actually, it never is.

The Iranians are not stupid, and they are famous negotiators. Trump even says they are brilliant at it.

So the theory here is that they would accept money already owed to them, already admitted as owed to them, and already negotiated for and scheduled to be imminently given them, as a ransom. In effect, then, getting nothing extra for that ransom than they were already going to get, and soon?

What kind of stupid ransom demand would that be? That isn't how ransom works.

It's more like holding back a rent payment that is rightfully due until the landlord gets a plumber to come in and fix the broken toilet. Did the renter pay a ransom to get the repair made?


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It's the Saudis vs. Iran, and I think we are wise to take two steps back and reassess our traditional alliances in the ME.
I agree. And add a little further detail to your statement.

It is the Saudis, and the other Sunni majority powers in that oil region, plus Israel (our current 'friendly' [sic] countries there), using radical Sunni jihadis as shock troops, vs. Iran (and Syria and Lebanon), with those backed up with defense arrangements with Russia and China. Oh, and maybe with Shi'ia majority IRAQ as a backstop. One of the first moves of the new Iraqi government was to cut an agreement with Iran on security matters, in a nod to Shi'ia solidarity, and that Iran had given sanctuary to so many of the Iraqi Shi'ia leaders during Saddam's rule.


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I agree. And add a little further detail to your statement.

It is the Saudis, and the other Sunni majority powers in that oil region, plus Israel (our current 'friendly' [sic] countries there), using radical Sunni jihadis as shock troops, vs. Iran (and Syria and Lebanon), with those backed up with defense arrangements with Russia and China. Oh, and maybe with Shi'ia majority IRAQ as a backstop. One of the first moves of the new Iraqi government was to cut an agreement with Iran on security matters, in a nod to Shi'ia solidarity, and that Iran had given sanctuary to so many of the Iraqi Shi'ia leaders during Saddam's rule.
If there is a realignment, I can't imagine us not taking Israel on board. The Israeli "understanding" with the Saudis rests on a stable Saudi regime + US support for said regime; both are on shaky ground going forward.

I think the people of Iran are more "natural allies" to the West than any Sunni population in the ME that I can think of. Obviously, there's just that little theocratic/authoritarian hurdle to leap first lol...


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Iran funds Hezbollah primarily. I've read that they fund Hamas on a limited scale, when it suits Iran's purpose of Hamas acts against Israel. Hezbollah is fighting ISIS in Syria and Lebanon. Yes, it is a complicated mess.

If you want to say that Iran funds groups who have committed violence against the US or against US troops you would be correct. To say they attack the US daily is excessive and inflammatory rhetoric. The central issue between the US and Iran is, and will continue to be, related to religion, especially Israel, who is our close ally, but is a hated foe for Iran, which, inevitably, puts us at odds with Iran. But then, Iran is at war with ISIS, a bunch of Sunni crazies, so it is not just black and white, friend and foe.
The Sunni are not as crazy as you say. The Shia came for them with butcher knives in the dead of night after your boy took his ball and went home in Iraq.

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