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There is so little profit in shenanigans in this matter I do not suspect them.

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06-25-2019, 10:01 AM

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There is so little profit in shenanigans in this matter I do not suspect them.

Now I have to go and try it myself.
Bob, i didn't realize the cb to OB weight difference made a difference in outcome of shot until you brought it up earlier.

How i confirmed what you said was: i called the person that was playing with me at the time and ask him to weigh the cb i gave him. It was the cb I was using at the time. It was an old cb that i got from a closing room.

He told me that particular cb weighs 5.71 oz. The ob I was using at the time was 5.96 oz and had newer cloth. The ob still weighs 5.96 but, the cloth is a lot more worn but, its still in what I would consider good shape.

I cant wait till i get a little more time. Its my luck, I usually have ALLLL the time in the world but, for a little while now I've had to choose between my table time and family priorities and I'm pretty sure you know which one won.

Another week or so , and I should be able to spend a little time on such things. Right now, I'm doing good to get to play a short race to 100 or even 50 at times in 14.1 and I'm not about to spend that time shooting the spot shot instead of taking advantage of playing a really strong player that i dont get to play often.

BTW Bob:

You never answered my question about a crater at the spot causing the cb to slow down.

To keep you from having to look at previous post: I remember shooting that shot at a local room where the table had a pretty good size hole under ob ball when on spot (both ends of table was that way) and I recall the cb stopping much sooner on that table.

I have no idea what the ob/cb weighed. All i know is they were old. The cloth was older also.


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06-25-2019, 10:15 AM

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... You never answered my question about a crater at the spot causing the cb to slow down. ...
I don't think a crater will have much effect on the speeds of the balls. I think it will slow down the object ball if anything.


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06-25-2019, 10:49 AM

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I don't think a crater will have much effect on the speeds of the balls. I think it will slow down the object ball if anything.
A divot could cause a kick (think US lingo is skid?) which absolutely kills the pace of the cue ball. It also straightens up the object ball. As someone who spent most of their years playing snooker, Iím pretty sensitive to hearing/seeing a kick. Maybe pool players are just as sensitive to them as snooker players? In my experience, pool players are not quite as sensitive to playing conditions. To put it another way, snooker players are much more likely to be prima donnas.
  
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06-25-2019, 12:36 PM

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A divot could cause a kick (think US lingo is skid?) which absolutely kills the pace of the cue ball. It also straightens up the object ball. As someone who spent most of their years playing snooker, Iím pretty sensitive to hearing/seeing a kick. Maybe pool players are just as sensitive to them as snooker players? In my experience, pool players are not quite as sensitive to playing conditions. To put it another way, snooker players are much more likely to be prima donnas.
I have a pretty decent sized divot on my spot and I have never seen a skid from the angle shot from behind headstring...and I play about half 1p/ half rotation on the table and to be honest, I scratch a lot.
  
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06-25-2019, 01:20 PM

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A divot could cause a kick (think US lingo is skid?) which absolutely kills the pace of the cue ball. It also straightens up the object ball. As someone who spent most of their years playing snooker, Iím pretty sensitive to hearing/seeing a kick. Maybe pool players are just as sensitive to them as snooker players? In my experience, pool players are not quite as sensitive to playing conditions. To put it another way, snooker players are much more likely to be prima donnas.
Bob is more knowledgeable than i and i will as always take what he says as good but, ever now and then, i have a mind of my own.

I agree about snooker players being more sensitive to conditions because they have to be since the table is much bigger, pockets much smaller that leads to having to be more accurate with shots as well as shape.

Most of the time, snooker players play shape to inches like good 14.1 players do. Most pool players play shape to an area which is not a good thing which is what leads to getting out of line.

I wanted to know what Bob thought about the spot with a crater (thanks for input Bob) but, I will try it out myself and see cause I remember it making a difference but, my memory sucks so, I'll see in time.

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06-26-2019, 08:33 PM

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... Now I have to go and try it myself.
I tried it myself. Instead of shooting, I used a ramp coming from the correct place in the kitchen.

The best I ever did was to stop the cue ball even with first diamonds from the foot rail, so the cue ball traveled just a little farther than one diamond after contacting the ball on the foot spot. I had a whole bunch of results where the cue ball ended half a ball closer to the foot rail than that. The main problem was to get the speed right so the object ball only barely went over the brink of the pocket.*

I was using nearly new balls (the new Aramith broken-circle design) and the cloth was medium-speed on a 4.5x9 GC2.

I also tried it with a cue stick and my main problem was shooting softly enough. My experience doesn't let me shoot at a speed that might leave the OB stopped on the brink. I did get one result just inside the first diamond so the cue ball ended 10" from the foot rail.

( *Actually the main problem was the stability of the ramp. There was some randomness in the direction of launch.)


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06-26-2019, 09:12 PM

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I tried it myself. Instead of shooting, I used a ramp coming from the correct place in the kitchen.

The best I ever did was to stop the cue ball even with first diamonds from the foot rail, so the cue ball traveled just a little farther than one diamond after contacting the ball on the foot spot. I had a whole bunch of results where the cue ball ended half a ball closer to the foot rail than that. The main problem was to get the speed right so the object ball only barely went over the brink of the pocket.*

I was using nearly new balls (the new Aramith broken-circle design) and the cloth was medium-speed on a 4.5x9 GC2.

I also tried it with a cue stick and my main problem was shooting softly enough. My experience doesn't let me shoot at a speed that might leave the OB stopped on the brink. I did get one result just inside the first diamond so the cue ball ended 10" from the foot rail.

( *Actually the main problem was the stability of the ramp. There was some randomness in the direction of launch.)
It sounds like you put a lot of time in the drill.

As you said, its really, really hard to shoot at true pocket speed on that shot.

I don't know how many times you attempted the shot before you were able to stop around the first diamond but, going from memory, Im pretty sure it took me several hours of constant setup-shoot, setup-shoot until I got just plain tired of doing it. Also, did you have any help? I would most definitely have to have someone to catch the balls, roll cb to me and spot the ob, otherwise I would tire out after a very short time.

BTW, when you can remember it, shoot that shot on different tables while on the road. Its weird how some tables and their conditions enable us to do stuff that we cant do on other tables with different conditions.

Ive got a couple friends that have tables and when playing at one of their tables, I do good to not hit the end rail, much less stop earlier but, on my table it was relatively easy to just not hit a rail but really, really hard to stop around the diamond. When playing on the other friends table, I cant stop the cb at all. It hits the rail and comes off an inch or so.

The first friends table is a 9' GC V. The second friends table is a 10' Brunswick.

I just never thought not having that "one" shot on video would cause me regret. Hmm, and to think of the countless hours of ghost play, drills I saved but, oh no, i had to delete that "one shot" out of thousands and thousands that I kept.

Oh well,

We'll see what the future holds.


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06-26-2019, 10:45 PM

Well, Bob replicated what I was able to do, which was a hell of a lot farther from the rail than I thought possible. I did get one parallel to the diamond but wasnít recording. I was able to shoot it fairly consistently, but a ramp is a neat idea. Did you make it yourself Bob?
  
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Well, Bob replicated what I was able to do, which was a hell of a lot farther from the rail than I thought possible. I did get one parallel to the diamond but wasnít recording. I was able to shoot it fairly consistently, but a ramp is a neat idea. Did you make it yourself Bob?
Some shots are different from table to table and from room to room....lol....not to mention from player to player.

Im glad you actually post a vid. I was starting to think I was imagining doing it...lol.

Naw, I new I had done it. The diamond and a half was a guess until I got to looking at my notebook I use at times to keep track of drills to be entered into my programs for comparison purposes later.

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Bob, i didn't realize the cb to OB weight difference made a difference in outcome of shot until you brought it up earlier.

How i confirmed what you said was: i called the person that was playing with me at the time and ask him to weigh the cb i gave him. It was the cb I was using at the time. It was an old cb that i got from a closing room.

He told me that particular cb weighs 5.71 oz. The ob I was using at the time was 5.96 oz and had newer cloth. The ob still weighs 5.96 but, the cloth is a lot more worn but, its still in what I would consider good shape.

I cant wait till i get a little more time. Its my luck, I usually have ALLLL the time in the world but, for a little while now I've had to choose between my table time and family priorities and I'm pretty sure you know which one won.

Another week or so , and I should be able to spend a little time on such things. Right now, I'm doing good to get to play a short race to 100 or even 50 at times in 14.1 and I'm not about to spend that time shooting the spot shot instead of taking advantage of playing a really strong player that i dont get to play often.

BTW Bob:

You never answered my question about a crater at the spot causing the cb to slow down.

To keep you from having to look at previous post: I remember shooting that shot at a local room where the table had a pretty good size hole under ob ball when on spot (both ends of table was that way) and I recall the cb stopping much sooner on that table.

I have no idea what the ob/cb weighed. All i know is they were old. The cloth was older also.




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06-27-2019, 07:57 AM

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Well, Bob replicated what I was able to do, which was a hell of a lot farther from the rail than I thought possible. I did get one parallel to the diamond but wasnít recording. I was able to shoot it fairly consistently, but a ramp is a neat idea. Did you make it yourself Bob?
Actually, I made two ramps, a long one and a short one. The short one does not launch the ball as straight; the longer one has metal rails on a wood frame and can shoot a lag shot. I've had them for a while.

I just tried the shot in Virtual pool and it gets the same result for the best shot -- the cue ball ends slightly less than a diamond from the foot rail. Virtual Pool gets the result a lot faster than in reality.

This is a shot waiting to win bar bets. Or play it as a challenge against someone who hasn't practiced it.


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If the table is level, felt clean, balls clean and not out of round (from wear/over cleaning), shooting a spot shot and cue ball stopping 1.5 diamonds before it gets to foot rail is not difficult after a little practice.

As you said, it's a very good way to practice touch shots with distance.
Me and a friend used to mess around back in the day and see who could stop the cb closest to the spot without hitting a rail from the kitchen. This is a crappy attempt, but I didn’t have much time to fool around with it. Had to get ready for work.

https://youtu.be/TFz5d8cVjAo

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Me and a friend used to mess around back in the day and see who could stop the cb closest to the spot without hitting a rail from the kitchen. This is a crappy attempt, but I didnít have much time to fool around with it. Had to get ready for work.

https://youtu.be/TFz5d8cVjAo
Crappy?.....
That was beautiful


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Crappy?.....
That was beautiful
The timing was off. For what I was trying to do, I actually missed the ball. The spin grabbed though and swerved the cb into the spot and I made it anyway...lucky.

I’ve stopped the cb much closer to the spot than that. The trick is the cb needs to still be spinning 1 to 7 (in relation to the line of the shot, looking down on the cb from above) on contact. But with the spin just starting to grab before contact. It’s possible to almost stop the cb dead if it’s hit perfectly.

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