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Nearest to farthest -- how bad is it? - 07-21-2020, 09:23 AM

Here is an aiming system. Like all aiming systems, it is not perfect. My question is: How bad is it? In particular what is the worst error you will have on common shots? What situations really cause it to break down?

The system is this:

There is a spot on the object ball that is the farthest from the pocket.

There is a spot on the cue ball that is the nearest to the pocket.

Send those two spots directly at each other.

(To clarify what that last sentence means: Join the two points on the two balls by a line. Align your cue stick parallel to that line and through the center of the cue ball. Shoot straight along that line without side spin.)

Extra credit for pointing out which book this system appears in.


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07-21-2020, 11:21 AM

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Here is an aiming system. Like all aiming systems, it is not perfect. My question is: How bad is it? In particular what is the worst error you will have on common shots? What situations really cause it to break down?

The system is this:

There is a spot on the object ball that is the farthest from the pocket.

There is a spot on the cue ball that is the nearest to the pocket.

Send those two spots directly at each other.

(To clarify what that last sentence means: Join the two points on the two balls by a line. Align your cue stick parallel to that line and through the center of the cue ball. Shoot straight along that line without side spin.)

Extra credit for pointing out which book this system appears in.
Isn't this basically cp-to-cp?? Been around since Jesus got his first pair of sandals.
  
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07-21-2020, 11:33 AM

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Isn't this basically cp-to-cp?? Been around since Jesus got his first pair of sandals.
No, it's not. Try drawing out a diagram.


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07-21-2020, 11:54 AM

This is reminding me of Joe Tucker's "Aiming by the Numbers". But its been at least 10 years since I saw his video on it so I may very well be misremembering.
  
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Post 07-21-2020, 12:31 PM

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Here is an aiming system. Like all aiming systems, it is not perfect. My question is: How bad is it? In particular what is the worst error you will have on common shots? What situations really cause it to break down?

The system is this:

There is a spot on the object ball that is the farthest from the pocket.

There is a spot on the cue ball that is the nearest to the pocket.

Send those two spots directly at each other.

(To clarify what that last sentence means: Join the two points on the two balls by a line. Align your cue stick parallel to that line and through the center of the cue ball. Shoot straight along that line without side spin.)

Extra credit for pointing out which book this system appears in.
Parallel aiming method would be my answer. You could also use double the distance. CIT would be the limiting factor, if not taken into consideration. Any aiming system has its shortcomings. I tend to believe that playing with an aiming system gets in the way. I think it's best to learn aiming through practice, trial and error. IMO most shots that are missed are not due to bad visual aiming, but something physical broke down. Most likely the stroke was offline. I have seen articles in BD and also on Dr. Dave's web site that remind me of what you are describing.


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Post 07-21-2020, 12:35 PM

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This is reminding me of Joe Tucker's "Aiming by the Numbers". But its been at least 10 years since I saw his video on it so I may very well be misremembering.
That's a great system that I have used in practice many times. After a while you don't really think about the numbers. The book, balls and aiming discs and DVD are all high quality and can last a lifetime if taken care of. Joe Tucker is a great teacher.


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07-21-2020, 12:45 PM

It's got nothing to do with Joe Tucker or parallel aiming. I'm not asking about other systems. I'm asking about the system I described above.

Can anyone figure out how good or bad it is? Did anyone understand my description or should I post a drawing?


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07-21-2020, 02:58 PM

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It's got nothing to do with Joe Tucker or parallel aiming. I'm not asking about other systems. I'm asking about the system I described above.

Can anyone figure out how good or bad it is? Did anyone understand my description or should I post a drawing?
I think your description is clear - and doing what you describe would result in a too-fat hit.

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I think your description is clear - and doing what you describe would result in a too-fat hit.

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For what kind of shot is the hit the most too full?


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07-21-2020, 03:30 PM

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For what kind of shot is the hit the most too full?
Are you asking to pass time (and you already know the answer)? Or to genuinely find out the answer? If the latter, I may make a drawing if I feel up to it.
  
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For what kind of shot is the hit the most too full?
Long thin cuts with the OB near the pocket.

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07-21-2020, 05:50 PM

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It's got nothing to do with Joe Tucker or parallel aiming. I'm not asking about other systems. I'm asking about the system I described above.

Can anyone figure out how good or bad it is? Did anyone understand my description or should I post a drawing?
it cant hurt to post a drawing
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it cant hurt to post a drawing
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And I'm just saying if you want to understand this sort of question about aiming systems or anything else, it will be better for you to work it out on your own. My description was complete enough, as PJ pointed out.

Try to come up with your own drawing. I'll post a drawing in four days.


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I think I understand the concept. I just don’t think I’m good enough to implement it!


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I think I understand the concept. I just donít think Iím good enough to implement it!
But is it Shinola or the other stuff? That's the question.


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