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01-26-2019, 07:24 AM

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As I get older...yup, thinking of death.
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I've been around death a number of times and faced it some. When somebody tells me they have no fear of dying I think they are either lying or this is somebody I don't want to be around. Although I have run into a few religious zealots who have said things like that.

I believe in an afterlife. I don't cower about death. But...
What is it to fear? Obviously I don't want it to be extremely painful or drawn out, that would not be good. I would fear drowning or being beaten or tortured to death. There are a few ways of pain and suffering I would fear. But as for nothing out of the ordinary like that, what is to fear.

I have went to a lot of funerals, the first being my Mother's at age 7. I think that gave me a different perspective. That and my own battle w my health starting in my teens I realized I would most likely not live as long as the norm. At times the battle has been overwhelming and the alternative didn't sound so bad. Thankfully I have my health mostly in check and those days are behind me, for now.

I strongly believe this physical world is not all there is.

Like I said I enjoy life and want to live as much as I can, but I know the day will come. I'm not someone who flirts with death. Unless you want to count riding a motorcycle as flirting and those days are behind me as well.

I fear other people dying much more. The pain that will bring me and their families.

What I have always found interesting about death is the afterlife. I believe we do get more than one ride in this world. I believe when we are in the afterlife the only thing we have want of, is to be back here, in the physical world. I think we are practically begging to come back, to make a difference to experience the physical again. I believe we are shown the life we are about to live and a covenant is made before we come back to accept and do our best to play the part we are given.

Of course it's all speculation.

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01-26-2019, 10:28 AM

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What is it to fear? Obviously I don't want it to be extremely painful or drawn out, that would not be good. I would fear drowning or being beaten or tortured to death. There are a few ways of pain and suffering I would fear. But as for nothing out of the ordinary like that, what is to fear.

I have went to a lot of funerals, the first being my Mother's at age 7. I think that gave me a different perspective. That and my own battle w my health starting in my teens I realized I would most likely not live as long as the norm. At times the battle has been overwhelming and the alternative didn't sound so bad. Thankfully I have my health mostly in check and those days are behind me, for now.

I strongly believe this physical world is not all there is.

Like I said I enjoy life and want to live as much as I can, but I know the day will come. I'm not someone who flirts with death. Unless you want to count riding a motorcycle as flirting and those days are behind me as well.

I fear other people dying much more. The pain that will bring me and their families.

What I have always found interesting about death is the afterlife. I believe we do get more than one ride in this world. I believe when we are in the afterlife the only thing we have want of, is to be back here, in the physical world. I think we are practically begging to come back, to make a difference to experience the physical again. I believe we are shown the life we are about to live and a covenant is made before we come back to accept and do our best to play the part we are given.

Of course it's all speculation.

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I think much like you do in these areas. Good post.


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01-26-2019, 02:29 PM

I have heard this from some LDS members, I guess from what they have been taught.

They have some odd doctrines about the afterlife, to say the least. Including that no one alive on this earth ever goes to hell. That, they teach, is reserved for souls who joined the Satanic rebellion in the pre-life times. If you made it to life here, you weren't part of that, so you will surely go to heaven, regardless.

But the after-life reward is getting to the higher of the three heavens. Terrestrial, celestial, I forget their names. Anyway, the lower heavens are further from God's presence, and create a great longing to be closer, and that's the penalty. All of this is doctrine.

What may not be doctrine is this further claim: that even though the lowest heaven is like flying coach or something, it is still so much better than life here that, if anyone got a brief look at it, they'd commit suicide to get there. (Remembering that nothing done here puts you into hell.) Now that is from a jack Mormon, but it's obviously something he heard from some elders, but with what doctrinal authority I do not know. (Clearly, if that is true, nobody would wish to return here, either.)

That's kind of logical, if things develop as I suppose they do. Is an infant, fascinated with the explosion of sensory input and learning how to use his body, preferring to go back into the dull comfort of the womb? Is a larva that pupates into a flying butterfly thinking of going back to the grubbing land-bound days? Of course, neither can form such a thought to begin with, but if they had the ability, I think not. My view is that in our truer realized spirit form, it would be like that. And of course, religions that believe in reincarnation view it as a kind of remedial school for lessons not learned, and more a kind of punishment to work off bad karma, like a forced summer school term if you've flunked. With the goal of transcending that cycle, and ending the necessary rebirths here.

Another curious point is the example of Oral Roberts, the famed preacher. He made a large empire of his ministry, including the university with its law school, and etc. A few years back, he was raising some large money for some new project or other, and he literally told his flock that if he did not succeed in raising the money target, God would call him back home. As a reason they should donate.

Hmmm. What was wrong with that picture? I sure didn't get how that was a good point for him.


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I've been around death a number of times and faced it some. When somebody tells me they have no fear of dying I think they are either lying or this is somebody I don't want to be around. Although I have run into a few religious zealots who have said things like that.

I believe in an afterlife. I don't cower about death. But...
I'd like to take a stab at what you are attempting to get at.


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I the thought of the reality of it it depresses me sometimes.

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Well, you're the one doing 65 on a bicycle. What were you thinking about then?


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Honestly...nothin. Neck pain from an extended tuck? Only been 60+ a couple times and always at a time of pretty significant fatigue. I think it really isn't that dangerous; it is straight and long. A flat would result in a lotta road rash, admittedly.

Now, riding the bike in traffic? Yeah, that can get kind of freaky. Especially when tailgating buses at 45mph+.

All that said, I have really begun to put a notable % of miles in on the bike trail with headphones on. It runs behind my house and unlike the trail that goes to D.C., there is hardly anybody on it.
  
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01-27-2019, 12:58 PM

I cannot imagine living my life worried about dying, what a waste of time. Having survived many near life ending events why worry about it? No fear here at all....NONE.
  
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