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08-23-2019, 03:56 AM

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Thanks for the info Bob.

I was asking about the APA system. IMO, it sucks a55.

I'm not sure if there is a better way to do it or not but, what I do know is if they can't beat that, they should just remove all handicapping and let the chips fall where they may.

I had rather play the #1 player on the planet even, as to give someone 6/3 just because they refuse to do what it takes to get there.

I know lots don't agree with that but, thats why I don't and won't play league.

It seems to me, they are trying to always find an angle instead of stepping up and stepping out.

Anyways, thanks for the info sir.

Have a good one,

Jeff
hey jeff,
first I gotta say I was actually just thinking recently, "where are all the rake posts at?"
have you been mia or is it just my imagination?

second- personally, I'm not much for handicapping..I'd rather get my brains bashed in and learn something from it
(I know, you're thinking, how can you learn with bashed brains? well, you get used to it).
I can see value in handicapping, especially for betting types-
it's just a spice on the cue rack that doesn't jive with my tastebuds.

this said, I've done a few bca leagues and they didn't handicap.
sometimes I got smoked, sometimes I did the smokin', but I had a good time overall, and met some nice folks in the process.
one of the (many) things I like about pool is that you gotta be a one-person team out there, no room for a crowd..
but if I did a league again, I would be happy to do bca.


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08-23-2019, 06:04 AM

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Probably won't happen, but this is what license agreements are for! Or with enough time, a FargoRate-based league could displace APA?
This is where I'm at with the whole thing.

The apa is the largest league here and they have a system that really doesn't work. They should step up and fix it or step away. Maybe I'll start a campaign
  
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08-23-2019, 07:00 AM

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This is where I'm at with the whole thing.

The apa is the largest league here and they have a system that really doesn't work. They should step up and fix it or step away. Maybe I'll start a campaign
Their system works fine.. If your looking for anything from government to marriage to a pool league to be perfect your in for a lifetime of disappointment


Player........... road line with 12.9 revo and 314/3
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If you live with one foot in the future and one in the past you'll piss all over the present.
  
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08-23-2019, 07:11 AM

With all the users on AZBilliards making a custom AZBilliards tournament should be interesting.

If it was an AZBilliards tournament and AZ users supported it there may be enough vendors and players to make it worth everyone's time.

AZbilliards national championship could follow the old IPT qualifying format. And for those that don't make it, can enjoy minigames or shop for the newest aiming system, billiards gear and have actual convention style meetings to discuss the future of amateur pool.
  
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08-23-2019, 08:07 AM

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This is where I'm at with the whole thing.

The apa is the largest league here and they have a system that really doesn't work. They should step up and fix it or step away. Maybe I'll start a campaign
If it is so terrible, ya have to wonder why it is the biggest.
  
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08-23-2019, 08:13 AM

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If it is so terrible, ya have to wonder why it is the biggest.
Quantity does not imply quality.
  
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Popular does not mean better - 08-23-2019, 08:19 AM

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If it is so terrible, ya have to wonder why it is the biggest.
Pop Music is mostly garbage but the masses love it.
APA has modeled a league for a large 'pool' of people (pun intended), and they are successful at it.

The better players in my region do not play APA, but they have other options.


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08-23-2019, 08:29 AM

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If it is so terrible, ya have to wonder why it is the biggest.
That's an excellent question. The "23 rule" is likely a large part of the reason it expands in the areas where it is successful. The rule turns all the players into recruiters. The rule also has consequences that some consider bad.

Another factor is that the fee structure brings a lot of money to the national office that can be used for promotion and to the LOs. Since the amount the LOs get is proportional to how many teams are playing, they have a strong incentive to recruit and promote. Also, they are given exclusive rights within an area.

I think all that is separate from the particular handicap system they use. I think one very attractive (to some players) feature of the APA's Equalizer™ system is that the players can see that it is possible to "improve" or "maintain" their SL by simple bookkeeping techniques. If you take that approach, the system is beautiful rather than an outrage and travesty.


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08-23-2019, 09:41 AM

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If it is so terrible, ya have to wonder why it is the biggest.
It’s the biggest because they spot terrible players so much.
I just eatched a finals match where the “winner” needed to make 4 balls...4 balls to be a “world champion”.
  
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08-23-2019, 10:29 AM

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It’s the biggest because they spot terrible players so much.
I just eatched a finals match where the “winner” needed to make 4 balls...4 balls to be a “world champion”.
Dang......... no words but, dang.


Edit: on the other side of the coin, I can remember when I went to state finals about 5-6 years ago. Up in Columbus, GA {wasn't APA}.

The two teams in the finals of the team event played very well. They were so evenly matched, that every player had to play their hardest. We must've seen 4-5 break and runs in a row, followed by wicked safeties, followed by some tremendous outs even for pro standards.

The good 'ole days.....

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08-23-2019, 10:43 AM

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It’s the biggest because they spot terrible players so much.
I just eatched a finals match where the “winner” needed to make 4 balls...4 balls to be a “world champion”.
Do you understand how this works and why only 4 were needed???

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Do you understand how this works and why only 4 were needed???

Do some research.
Yes,still so stupid.
  
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08-23-2019, 11:02 AM

It should be 3 wins of the 5 matches wins IMHO.

Also in 8 ball it kills me with the shortness of the race how 2s can easily get 3-0s in a “race” to 2.Lets the weakest players control too many points.
  
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08-23-2019, 11:30 AM

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League results are included, and the mechanism to get them in is to manage your league with fargorate.com/LMS
Interesting. I was wondering you you rated players who never play in a tournament.

How far back do you go in leagues or tournaments to capture results?
  
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08-23-2019, 11:53 AM

To the DQ'd team, congrats on the deep run, you should be proud not angry. Looking at your text messages, you built the team to have fun, just play, and let the chips fall where they may, well this is the result. To hell with the trophy and a few bucks, the memories should be worth much more.

You gave it your all, just had too many players raised in the process. APA is not accusing you of cheating just unfortunately breaking a rule and the penalty is see you again in 2yrs, no big deal.

Also, one simple change to stop this from occuring is simply never lowering a handicap. If you played strong enough to reach a level, there you are, no reason to go down, practice harder or find something else to do. Simple really. It's ridiculous to see players with hundreds of matches remain a sl1/2 and be disqualified. Again, congrats!!
  
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