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11-17-2019, 09:55 PM

Pat,I like the changes a lot especially the Eurotour format which has been very successful,I.M.O the lower entry should fill the field, well done.
  
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11-18-2019, 07:09 AM

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Missing 2020 too. Not missing Halloween with my kids. I was hoping this event would be a yearly event for me that replaced the USOpen. Family first. Hoping for 2021.
Amen, brother. I'll be skipping the Mosconi Cup this year because giving up Thanksgiving with my family is too big a price to pay to attend. Family first indeed.
  
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11-18-2019, 07:24 AM

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Hopefully no 2ball at the back.

Let's have 7 randomly racked balls instead of 6.

This event attracts the elite players. Let's make them work harder for their 'break and run outs'

Look at this years event. As they knew the 2ball was being racked at the back every time, they were trying to make the 1ball and control the 2ball near the side pocket.
And alot were very successful!

I've never understood why the 2ball is racked at the back.

Would someone care to enlighten me.

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The 2-ball will not be racked in the back. It will be placed in the row behind the 9-ball.


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11-18-2019, 07:44 AM

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Why don't you just make it Ten Ball and be done with it. We could use a good Ten Ball event in this country with some decent added money. It would also make it more attractive to the better players. Just shorten the Races to Nine and the scheduling can remain the same.

160 players at 500 each is $80,000. Add $50,000 and you have a $130,000 purse. You could pay 48 spots and still keep 30K on top.
With neutral rackers, nine on the spot, and alternate break, nine ball isn't broken at all, and that's just what we get at the International. As we just saw a few weeks ago in an electrifying display of world championship level pool, four of the WPA top seven ranked players finished tied for 5th or better. As a professional pool product, the International is, in my view, making the grade.
  
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11-18-2019, 08:46 AM

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Amen, brother. I'll be skipping the Mosconi Cup this year because giving up Thanksgiving with my family is too big a price to pay to attend. Family first indeed.
Amen Brother! The International is fantastic! Kudos to Pat and Team Accu-Stats for putting on a world class tournament every year.
  
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11-18-2019, 10:18 AM

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With neutral rackers, nine on the spot, and alternate break, nine ball isn't broken at all, and that's just what we get at the International. As we just saw a few weeks ago in an electrifying display of world championship level pool, four of the WPA top seven ranked players finished tied for 5th or better. As a professional pool product, the International is, in my view, making the grade.
Stu you are spot on as usual, except for the fact that the International is a winner beak format. We would have missed out on some of those marvelous comebacks last month had it have been alternate break!
  
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11-18-2019, 10:25 AM

After the Turning Stone, this is the best 9 ball tournament in the country right now. Hopefully the $500 entry gets even more players in.

Will there be a break box?
  
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11-18-2019, 10:32 AM

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Stu you are spot on as usual, except for the fact that the International is a winner beak format. We would have missed out on some of those marvelous comebacks last month had it have been alternate break!
Yes, you are correct, but in Post #1, Pat Fleming announced a switch to alternate break for 2020, and I was incorporating that change in to my comments.
  
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11-18-2019, 10:49 AM

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11-18-2019, 10:50 AM

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CSI and Predator do have the World 10-ball now, to coincide with BCA league championships in Vegas. It will be in March next year, so in 4 months.
I know very well about that event. It's a good event but small money compared to the International. There is no reason it couldn't be the International Ten Ball Open!


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11-18-2019, 11:03 AM

Gonna miss ‘winner break’....I like everything else about this contest.


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11-18-2019, 11:06 AM

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With neutral rackers, nine on the spot, and alternate break, nine ball isn't broken at all, and that's just what we get at the International. As we just saw a few weeks ago in an electrifying display of world championship level pool, four of the WPA top seven ranked players finished tied for 5th or better. As a professional pool product, the International is, in my view, making the grade.
Stu, I agree that the International is a great addition to the roster of pro tournaments held in this country, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it! What's wrong with a field of 100 of the best players in the world, unless you are just trying to get more players to fill more hotel rooms. The purse of nearly $150K isn't too shabby either.

Lastly, spectators like seeing players string racks. That's exciting! Switching to alternate breaks is a mistake imo. If one player puts together a four or five pack that pressures his opponent to do the same, or better. That's when you see the best pool being played. Note that this year playing winner breaks the top players excelled, with the cream rising to the top near the end. Alternate break will change nothing, except to give lesser players a chance to win more games. Boring! Or did I say that already.

JMHO as always. It's not my show, so Pat can do it anyway he wants. I know from experience what it takes to put on events like this and it's no easy task. I hate to see him feel like he has to keep fiddling with the rules. People like to watch great pool being played regardless of the rules at any particular event. Just look at the MC with it's super short races and alternate break (that's probably a good thing there). It can be crazy exciting at that event, with every game being so important to the final outcome.


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11-18-2019, 11:31 AM

I see nothing wrong with some rule tweeking. If anything, this might help the Int'l Open differentiate itself more, as the new major on US soil.

Pat's been at this stuff for a while, I'm sure this was not a snap decision to make changes.


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11-18-2019, 11:55 AM

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Stu, I agree that the International is a great addition to the roster of pro tournaments held in this country, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it! What's wrong with a field of 100 of the best players in the world, unless you are just trying to get more players to fill more hotel rooms. The purse of nearly $150K isn't too shabby either.

Lastly, spectators like seeing players string racks. That's exciting! Switching to alternate breaks is a mistake imo. If one player puts together a four or five pack that pressures his opponent to do the same, or better. That's when you see the best pool being played. Note that this year playing winner breaks the top players excelled, with the cream rising to the top near the end. Alternate break will change nothing, except to give lesser players a chance to win more games. Boring! Or did I say that already.

JMHO as always. It's not my show, so Pat can do it anyway he wants. I know from experience what it takes to put on events like this and it's no easy task. I hate to see him feel like he has to keep fiddling with the rules. People like to watch great pool being played regardless of the rules at any particular event. Just look at the MC with it's super short races and alternate break (that's probably a good thing there). It can be crazy exciting at that event, with every game being so important to the final outcome.
So true.

The most scintillating match from the 2019 International was Shane and Lechner's match on the winner's side, when Max opened the match with a huge package and accrued a 9-0 lead, only to see SVB fight and claw back to 9-9.

The match eventually went hill-hill, and the whole arena was completely enraptured in watching the epic comeback! Even the TV table was overshadowed as everyone wanted to see the outcome. At the end of the match, Max Lechner single-handedly went from a nobody to a household name. A classic match that would have been forgone had it been alternate break.

In recent years, there have been great comebacks on the TV table such as Shaw beating Big Ko after being down 10-4. He did it twice, in 2017 and 2018, each time coming from behind in epic fashion. The crowd in those matches was completely electric, stomping their feet and cheering! Another great TV match from a few years ago was when Sky was down 10-6 to Imran Majid, and proceeded to run 5 and out to take the set. All of these memorable matches couldn't have happened without winner breaks.

I've remembered all these moments over the years, and they only could've occurred with a winner break format. I understand alternate break is "fairer" for the players, and maybe more "worth it" for players that have to travel and pay expenses to play in the International. However, concerning all the international and overseas events utilizing the equitable alternate break format, as a spectator of those events I have found those matches to be forgettable and ultimately boring.
  
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11-18-2019, 12:05 PM

Unfortunately I will not be able to make it but as usual I will get the stream,
This years streamed matches were great and I spent the whole week watching pool and following action on AZ.
  
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