Go Back   AzBilliards.com > Main Category > Main Forum
Reload this Page Frozen to the Cushion or not?
Reply
Page 3 of 4 123 4
 
Share Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old
  (#31)
PoolBum
Abracadabra!

PoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond repute
 
PoolBum's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 12,451
vCash: 1190
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Headed for Andromeda
   
11-18-2019, 09:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by pt109 View Post
Soooo......every time I thought I made a good hit...it was actually a foul....
That's right, you've actually never made a good hit. Of course, neither have any of your opponents. It turns out the game of pool is just an endless series of fouls.


"He knew what those jubilant crowds did not know, but could have learned from books; that the plague bacillus never dies or disappears for good...and that perhaps the day would come when, for the bane and the enlightening of men, it would rouse up its rats again and send them forth to die in a happy city."
  
Reply With Quote

Old
  (#32)
Bob Jewett
Northern California

Bob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 16,915
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
   
11-18-2019, 09:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PoolBum View Post
It's a trick question. We all know that physics tells us that no two objects ever actually touch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8rkG9Dw4s
Actually, physics and especially quantum mechanics tells us that objects extend into each other and have no precisely defined hard surface. Everything is fuzzy.

But why do we still have this horrible frozen/not frozen/maybe frozen ball rule? I think it's time to do away with it. What would be lost if contacting a frozen ball was considered a good rail contact? I see no value in the rule.


Bob Jewett
SF Billiard Academy
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#33)
PoolBum
Abracadabra!

PoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond repute
 
PoolBum's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 12,451
vCash: 1190
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Headed for Andromeda
   
11-18-2019, 09:42 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Jewett View Post
Actually, physics and especially quantum mechanics tells us that objects extend into each other and have no precisely defined hard surface. Everything is fuzzy.

But why do we still have this horrible frozen/not frozen/maybe frozen ball rule? I think it's time to do away with it. What would be lost if contacting a frozen ball was considered a good rail contact? I see no value in the rule.
Sorry, I'm a little fuzzy on quantum mechanics. That's probably for the best.


"He knew what those jubilant crowds did not know, but could have learned from books; that the plague bacillus never dies or disappears for good...and that perhaps the day would come when, for the bane and the enlightening of men, it would rouse up its rats again and send them forth to die in a happy city."
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#34)
Bob Jewett
Northern California

Bob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 16,915
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
   
11-18-2019, 09:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PoolBum View Post
Sorry, I'm a little fuzzy on quantum mechanics. That's probably for the best.
If you weren't fuzzy, you wouldn't be real. Or maybe nothing is real. Or maybe everything is real.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#35)
jimmyco
NRA4Life
jimmyco has a reputation beyond reputejimmyco has a reputation beyond reputejimmyco has a reputation beyond reputejimmyco has a reputation beyond reputejimmyco has a reputation beyond reputejimmyco has a reputation beyond reputejimmyco has a reputation beyond reputejimmyco has a reputation beyond reputejimmyco has a reputation beyond reputejimmyco has a reputation beyond reputejimmyco has a reputation beyond repute
 
jimmyco's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 3,123
vCash: 500
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Colorado
   
11-18-2019, 10:06 PM

So, Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn't fuzzy, was he?


Player-Bob Owen Custom
Breaker-N.E. O'Barqueue
Case-Rusty Melton 1x2
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#36)
HawaiianEye
AzB Silver Member
HawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond repute
 
HawaiianEye's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 10,678
vCash: 500
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Join Date: Apr 2011
   
11-18-2019, 10:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Jewett View Post
But why do we still have this horrible frozen/not frozen/maybe frozen ball rule? I think it's time to do away with it. What would be lost if contacting a frozen ball was considered a good rail contact? I see no value in the rule.
To keep people from nudging the cue ball up on the object ball on the rail and then saying they "hit a rail", when the ONLY ball that touched a rail was the ball ALREADY on the rail.

The alternative is to say that the object ball AND the cue ball must touch a rail on every shot.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#37)
jay helfert
Shoot Pool, not people
jay helfert has a reputation beyond reputejay helfert has a reputation beyond reputejay helfert has a reputation beyond reputejay helfert has a reputation beyond reputejay helfert has a reputation beyond reputejay helfert has a reputation beyond reputejay helfert has a reputation beyond reputejay helfert has a reputation beyond reputejay helfert has a reputation beyond reputejay helfert has a reputation beyond reputejay helfert has a reputation beyond repute
 
jay helfert's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 27,355
vCash: 500
iTrader: 136 / 100%
Join Date: Nov 2004
   
11-18-2019, 10:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawaiianEye View Post
To keep people from nudging the cue ball up on the object ball on the rail and then saying they "hit a rail", when the ONLY ball that touched a rail was the ball ALREADY on the rail.

The alternative is to say that the object ball AND the cue ball must touch a rail on every shot.
Correct. Without the rule (you must get a rail after contact) two players could play endless safeties off a ball against the rail.


http://www.jayhelfert.com/ to order More Pool Wars
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#38)
Bob Jewett
Northern California

Bob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 16,915
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
   
11-18-2019, 10:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawaiianEye View Post
To keep people from nudging the cue ball up on the object ball on the rail and then saying they "hit a rail", when the ONLY ball that touched a rail was the ball ALREADY on the rail. ...
The stalemate rule, which every pool game now has, avoids this problem.


Bob Jewett
SF Billiard Academy
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#39)
HawaiianEye
AzB Silver Member
HawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond reputeHawaiianEye has a reputation beyond repute
 
HawaiianEye's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 10,678
vCash: 500
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Join Date: Apr 2011
   
11-18-2019, 10:56 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Jewett View Post
The stalemate rule, which every pool game now has, avoids this problem.
At WHAT point is the rule in place?

After the 2nd nudge or the 32nd nudge?

Don't need to make the game more complicated.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#40)
maha
from way back when
maha has a reputation beyond reputemaha has a reputation beyond reputemaha has a reputation beyond reputemaha has a reputation beyond reputemaha has a reputation beyond reputemaha has a reputation beyond reputemaha has a reputation beyond reputemaha has a reputation beyond reputemaha has a reputation beyond reputemaha has a reputation beyond reputemaha has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,352
vCash: 500
iTrader: 9 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: cold
   
11-18-2019, 11:27 PM

the only fair way to judge frozen is if you cant see light. if you use fuzz what happens if a piece of cushion fuzz sticks out a half inch. then you can have a frozen ball a half inch off the rail.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#41)
Bob Jewett
Northern California

Bob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 16,915
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
   
11-18-2019, 11:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawaiianEye View Post
At WHAT point is the rule in place?

After the 2nd nudge or the 32nd nudge?

Don't need to make the game more complicated.
In general, if the subject is brought up and no progress is made in three shots each, you have a stalemate. Call a third party over if you can't figure it out on your own.

I claim that the current rule is more complicated:
It's touching a thread! Is not -- that's a gnat's wing. Is not!
You didn't call it frozen. Did too! No, you have to call it right before I shoot. No, it's been frozen for three shots. Yeah, but you didn't call it again.

Just because it's what you're used to doesn't mean it's simpler.


Bob Jewett
SF Billiard Academy
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#42)
KMRUNOUT
AzB Silver Member
KMRUNOUT has a reputation beyond reputeKMRUNOUT has a reputation beyond reputeKMRUNOUT has a reputation beyond reputeKMRUNOUT has a reputation beyond reputeKMRUNOUT has a reputation beyond reputeKMRUNOUT has a reputation beyond reputeKMRUNOUT has a reputation beyond reputeKMRUNOUT has a reputation beyond reputeKMRUNOUT has a reputation beyond reputeKMRUNOUT has a reputation beyond reputeKMRUNOUT has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 3,844
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Mar 2006
   
11-18-2019, 11:55 PM

from CSI rules:

Frozen Ball
A ball that is touching another ball or a cushion. If loose strands or fibers of cloth extend
from a cushion and contact a ball, that does not constitute that ball being frozen to the
cushion.

KMRUNOUT
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#43)
PoolBum
Abracadabra!

PoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond reputePoolBum has a reputation beyond repute
 
PoolBum's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 12,451
vCash: 1190
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Headed for Andromeda
   
11-18-2019, 11:58 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Jewett View Post
If you weren't fuzzy, you wouldn't be real. Or maybe nothing is real. Or maybe everything is real.
That's ok, as long as I'm not warm and fuzzy. I hate mixing thermodynamics and quantum mechanics.


"He knew what those jubilant crowds did not know, but could have learned from books; that the plague bacillus never dies or disappears for good...and that perhaps the day would come when, for the bane and the enlightening of men, it would rouse up its rats again and send them forth to die in a happy city."
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#44)
Buckzapper
AzB Silver Member
Buckzapper has a reputation beyond reputeBuckzapper has a reputation beyond reputeBuckzapper has a reputation beyond reputeBuckzapper has a reputation beyond reputeBuckzapper has a reputation beyond reputeBuckzapper has a reputation beyond reputeBuckzapper has a reputation beyond reputeBuckzapper has a reputation beyond reputeBuckzapper has a reputation beyond reputeBuckzapper has a reputation beyond reputeBuckzapper has a reputation beyond repute
 
Buckzapper's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 413
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Jan 2010
   
11-19-2019, 04:14 AM

"But your Honor, I didn't actually touch her, I touched just the fuzz."


"Wow! He cut that ball so thin, like a worker from the delicatessen." Upstate Al

"I'll play anyone in the house even for this big bag of quarters." Scooter

"Never kick in One Pocket, unless you're mad at your backer." Danny Diliberto
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#45)
Black-Balled
He Rides the Skies
Black-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond repute
 
Black-Balled's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 39,911
vCash: 1200
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: This Toilet Earth
  Send a message via AIM to Black-Balled  
11-19-2019, 05:02 AM

Nice to see the matter sewn up as I slept.
  
Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 3 of 4 123 4

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.