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Poolology Question - 11-24-2019, 11:36 AM

Brian, I've been using the half ball hit for straight pool break shots to see how that goes after Poolmanis recommended it.

How big is the "no go" zone at the foot spot where you have to adjust the numbers to a 24 and 12 instead of 20 and 10? Should any straight pool break ball be far enough away not to factor in to that issue? In other words, if I have the 14 balls racked up is it possible to position the break ball close enough to the foot spot, but outside the rack, to require an adjustment?


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11-24-2019, 09:16 PM

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Brian, I've been using the half ball hit for straight pool break shots to see how that goes after Poolmanis recommended it.

How big is the "no go" zone at the foot spot where you have to adjust the numbers to a 24 and 12 instead of 20 and 10? Should any straight pool break ball be far enough away not to factor in to that issue? In other words, if I have the 14 balls racked up is it possible to position the break ball close enough to the foot spot, but outside the rack, to require an adjustment?
Not possible. This "no go" area extends to only about an inch or so from the footspot. In this photo, the line of white hole reinforcements represents the 20 line. Any ob on this line is a 20, and if the cb-to-ob center line is pointed to the first diamond on the end rail, it's a halfball shot. On this line, the closest you can place an ob to the rack and have a corner shot is 2 or 3 inches from the footspot, well out of the small "no go" area.



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Not possible. This "no go" area extends to only about an inch or so from the footspot. In this photo, the line of white hole reinforcements represents the 20 line. Any ob on this line is a 20, and if the cb-to-ob center line is pointed to the first diamond on the end rail, it's a halfball shot. On this line, the closest you can place an ob to the rack and have a corner shot is 2 or 3 inches from the footspot, well out of the small "no go" area.
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11-25-2019, 07:30 AM

Thanks for the thorough reply! I didn't realize the spot was so small. I flipped through your book to find more about the size of that zone but didn't find anything. Maybe it is in there somewhere.

Did you see the thread on the main forum where someone asks whether there are systems for banks, or if they just have to be learned by feel? I'm shocked that none of the CTE'rs posted about how great CTE works for banks. Funny how Low never answered my question about whether Stan could bank worth a damn before he learned CTE. Oh well, selah!


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Thanks for the thorough reply! I didn't realize the spot was so small. I flipped through your book to find more about the size of that zone but didn't find anything. Maybe it is in there somewhere.

Did you see the thread on the main forum where someone asks whether there are systems for banks, or if they just have to be learned by feel? I'm shocked that none of the CTE'rs posted about how great CTE works for banks. Funny how Low never answered my question about whether Stan could bank worth a damn before he learned CTE. Oh well, selah!
Yep, saw that bank thread. I think rote is most used by good bankers, especially considering the amount of feel (speed and spin) that is needed for some banks.

Here's a thought I had once after watching one of Stan's CTE banking videos. If CTE perceptions always connect balls to the pockets (the whole "15, 30, 45 connecting to right angles" bit), then a CTE user should be able to randomly use ANY perception for any given shot, shoot very firm, and the ball should connect to a pocket somewhere. That would be awesome, but I suspect the results would be no different than doing the same thing with any random aiming method -- some balls will find a hole, and some will not.


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Yep, saw that bank thread. I think rote is most used by good bankers, especially considering the amount of feel (speed and spin) that is needed for some banks.

Here's a thought I had once after watching one of Stan's CTE banking videos. If CTE perceptions always connect balls to the pockets (the whole "15, 30, 45 connecting to right angles" bit), then a CTE user should be able to randomly use ANY perception for any given shot, shoot very firm, and the ball should connect to a pocket somewhere. That would be awesome, but I suspect the results would be no different than doing the same thing with any random aiming method -- some balls will find a hole, and some will not.
They actually used to make that claim. Maybe they still do.


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11-25-2019, 09:07 AM

Some Joes might laugh at this, but I think it's pretty neat, and simple, that a player can place a ball anywhere on this 20 line, then line the cb up with it so that the cb-ob center line points to the first diamond on the rail (side rail or end rail), and it's a halfball shot.

Using just 1/16 inch intervals, you could have over 300 different ob placements along this line between the side rail and footspot, and if the cb to ob alignment is lined to the first diamond, every one of these balls can be pocketed using just one ob aim point -- the halfball aim.


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Some Joes might laugh at this, but I think it's pretty neat, and simple, that a player can place a ball anywhere on this 20 line, then line the cb up with it so that the cb-ob center line points to the first diamond on the rail (side rail or end rail), and it's a halfball shot.

Using just 1/16 inch intervals, you could have over 300 different ob placements along this line between the side rail and footspot, and if the cb to ob alignment is lined to the first diamond, every one of these balls can be pocketed using just one ob aim point -- the halfball aim.
I don't think anybody has linked the diamonds to random ball positions on the table in such a simple, elegant way as Poolology. Those who don't understand it, or have an agenda, scoff at it. The problem for those people is that it just plain works. No months of "making" it work, no need to rewrite the laws of physics.

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]I don't think anybody has linked the diamonds to random ball positions on the table in such a simple, elegant way as Poolology. [/B] Those who don't understand it, or have an agenda, scoff at it. The problem for those people is that it just plain works. No months of "making" it work, no need to rewrite the laws of physics.

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11-25-2019, 06:25 PM

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I was with you up until you wrote this. Poolology is one hell of a lot better than all of those methods. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that different methods don't strike a chord with people differently. I'm saying that all those methods require a significant amount of practice to be useful. Poolology will have you pocketing balls within minutes of learning it, assuming you have a half way decent ability to deliver the cue in a straight line.


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I was with you up until you wrote this. Poolology is one hell of a lot better than all of those methods. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that different methods don't strike a chord with people differently. I'm saying that all those methods require a significant amount of practice to be useful. Poolology will have you pocketing balls within minutes of learning it, assuming you have a half way decent ability to deliver the cue in a straight line.
But it will not develop consistency........which requires a significant amount of practice.
  
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But it will not develop consistency........which requires a significant amount of practice.
It shortens the learning curve until aiming becomes automatic, which is what it is all about. That does take time.


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