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07-18-2013, 07:48 AM

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Seriously, what difference does the type and amount of data retrieved from unconstitutional spying on U.S. citizens make to you? You haven't a problem with the act of illegal domestic spying in general, so specifics aren't going to make a difference to you.

It is literally impossible to have a meaningful discussion on this topic with someone who apparently either doesn't understand, respect, or even acknowledge, or worse, is willing to relinquish, both the basic rights and liberties granted to all U.S. citizens by our constitution and it's Bill Of Rights, or the limitations and restrictions placed upon the federal government in that same instrument.

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A good first step would be to understand that basic rights and liberties are not granted by the Constitution and/or Bill of Rights.
  
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07-18-2013, 08:09 AM

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A good first step would be to understand that basic rights and liberties are not granted by the Constitution and/or Bill of Rights.
If I missed something, maybe you can explain it to us all.

Taken from The Declaration Of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--"

A Summary of the US Constitution

The Twenty-seven Amendments to the US Constitution

1st: People have freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and the right to petition the Government. 1791.

2nd: People have the right to have a weapon to protect themselves. 1791.

3rd: Soldiers cannot take or live in a person's house. 1791.

4th: The government cannot arrest a person or search their property unless there is "probable cause." 1791.

5th: The government must follow the law (due process) before punishing a person. 1791.

6th: A person has the right to a fair and speedy trial by a jury. 1791.

7th: A person has the right to a jury trial for civil cases. 1791.

8th: The government cannot demand excessive bail or fines, or any cruel and unusual punishment. 1791.

9th: The Constitution does not include all of the right s of the people and the states. 1791.

10th: Any powers that the Constitution does not give to the federal government belong to the states. 1791.

11th: Citizens cannot sue states in federal courts. (There are some exceptions). 1795.

12th: The President and Vice President are elected on a party ticket. 1804.

13th: Slavery is illegal in the United States. 1865.

14th: Every person born in the USA is a citizen. An immigrant can become a naturalized citizen. 1868

15th: All US male citizens have the right to vote. 1870.

16th: Congress can tax income. 1913.

17th: The people can elect US Senators. 1913.

18th: Alcohol is illegal. (Prohibition). 1919.

19th: All US female citizens have the right to vote. 1920.

20th: The President is inaugurated in January. Congress begins to meet in January. 1933.

21th: Alcohol is legal. Each state can make laws about making, selling, and drinking alcohol. 1933.

22nd: The President cannot serve for more than two terms. 1951.

23rd: The US Citizens in the District of Columbia have the right to vote for President. 1961.

24th: It is illegal to make a citizen pay a voting fee or take a reading test to vote. 1964.

25th: If the president dies or cannot serve, the vice-president becomes resident. If both die, the Speaker of the House becomes president. 1967.

26th: US citizens who are 18 years old or older have the right to vote. 1971.

27th: Congress must limit when and how much its members are paid. 1992

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07-18-2013, 08:13 AM

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If I missed something, maybe you can explain to us all.

Taken from The Declaration Of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--"

A Summary of the US Constitution

The Twenty-seven Amendments to the US Constitution

1st: People have freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and the right to petition the Government. 1791.

2nd: People have the right to have a weapon to protect themselves. 1791.

3rd: Soldiers cannot take or live in a person's house. 1791.

4th: The government cannot arrest a person or search their property unless there is "probable cause." 1791.

5th: The government must follow the law (due process) before punishing a person. 1791.

6th: A person has the right to a fair and speedy trial by a jury. 1791.

7th: A person has the right to a jury trial for civil cases. 1791.

8th: The government cannot demand excessive bail or fines, or any cruel and unusual punishment. 1791.

9th: The Constitution does not include all of the right s of the people and the states. 1791.

10th: Any powers that the Constitution does not give to the federal government belong to the states. 1791.

11th: Citizens cannot sue states in federal courts. (There are some exceptions). 1795.

12th: The President and Vice President are elected on a party ticket. 1804.

13th: Slavery is illegal in the United States. 1865.

14th: Every person born in the USA is a citizen. An immigrant can become a naturalized citizen. 1868

15th: All US male citizens have the right to vote. 1870.

16th: Congress can tax income. 1913.

17th: The people can elect US Senators. 1913.

18th: Alcohol is illegal. (Prohibition). 1919.

19th: All US female citizens have the right to vote. 1920.

20th: The President is inaugurated in January. Congress begins to meet in January. 1933.

21th: Alcohol is legal. Each state can make laws about making, selling, and drinking alcohol. 1933.

22nd: The President cannot serve for more than two terms. 1951.

23rd: The US Citizens in the District of Columbia have the right to vote for President. 1961.

24th: It is illegal to make a citizen pay a voting fee or take a reading test to vote. 1964.

25th: If the president dies or cannot serve, the vice-president becomes resident. If both die, the Speaker of the House becomes president. 1967.

26th: US citizens who are 18 years old or older have the right to vote. 1971.

27th: Congress must limit when and how much its members are paid. 1992
Wow....Remind me not to make YOU mad!
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07-18-2013, 08:18 AM

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If I missed something, maybe you can explain it to us all.

Taken from The Declaration Of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--"

A Summary of the US Constitution

The Twenty-seven Amendments to the US Constitution

1st: People have freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and the right to petition the Government. 1791.

2nd: People have the right to have a weapon to protect themselves. 1791.

3rd: Soldiers cannot take or live in a person's house. 1791.

4th: The government cannot arrest a person or search their property unless there is "probable cause." 1791.

5th: The government must follow the law (due process) before punishing a person. 1791.

6th: A person has the right to a fair and speedy trial by a jury. 1791.

7th: A person has the right to a jury trial for civil cases. 1791.

8th: The government cannot demand excessive bail or fines, or any cruel and unusual punishment. 1791.

9th: The Constitution does not include all of the right s of the people and the states. 1791.

10th: Any powers that the Constitution does not give to the federal government belong to the states. 1791.

11th: Citizens cannot sue states in federal courts. (There are some exceptions). 1795.

12th: The President and Vice President are elected on a party ticket. 1804.

13th: Slavery is illegal in the United States. 1865.

14th: Every person born in the USA is a citizen. An immigrant can become a naturalized citizen. 1868

15th: All US male citizens have the right to vote. 1870.

16th: Congress can tax income. 1913.

17th: The people can elect US Senators. 1913.

18th: Alcohol is illegal. (Prohibition). 1919.

19th: All US female citizens have the right to vote. 1920.

20th: The President is inaugurated in January. Congress begins to meet in January. 1933.

21th: Alcohol is legal. Each state can make laws about making, selling, and drinking alcohol. 1933.

22nd: The President cannot serve for more than two terms. 1951.

23rd: The US Citizens in the District of Columbia have the right to vote for President. 1961.

24th: It is illegal to make a citizen pay a voting fee or take a reading test to vote. 1964.

25th: If the president dies or cannot serve, the vice-president becomes resident. If both die, the Speaker of the House becomes president. 1967.

26th: US citizens who are 18 years old or older have the right to vote. 1971.

27th: Congress must limit when and how much its members are paid. 1992
Nice list. That 22nd is a real bummer.
  
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07-18-2013, 08:23 AM

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Wow....Remind me not to make YOU mad!
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22nd: The President cannot serve for more than two terms. 1951.

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Nice list. That 22nd is a real bummer.
I'm really hoping that you're kidding and just forgot to hit the "sarcasm face" thingy.

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22nd: The President cannot serve for more than two terms. 1951.



I'm really hoping that you're kidding and just forgot to hit the "sarcasm face" thingy.

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I never hit the sarcasm face thingy. All my posts should be considered sarcastic unless noted otherwise.
Interesting! Then maybe you're not as "bad" as I gave you credit for....or maybe you're just being sarcastic again.

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Interesting! Then maybe you're not as "bad" as I gave you credit for....or maybe you're just being sarcastic again.

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Not to worry, why would anyone get angry with you? Besides, I'm not mad, it's just UGOT trying to play graba$$ with me again.

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Step by step, closer to tyranny....Maybe we haven't a right to know.... - 07-18-2013, 09:36 AM

Driving Somewhere? There’s a Government Record of That
July 17th, 2013

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Chances are, your local or state police departments have photographs of your car in their files, noting where you were driving on a particular day, even if you never did anything wrong.

Using automated scanners, law enforcement agencies across the country have amassed millions of digital records on the location and movement of every vehicle with a license plate, according to a study published Wednesday by the American Civil Liberties Union. Affixed to police cars, bridges or buildings, the scanners capture images of passing or parked vehicles and note their location, uploading that information into police databases. Departments keep the records for weeks or years, sometimes indefinitely.

As the technology becomes cheaper and more ubiquitous, and federal grants focus on aiding local terrorist detection, even small police agencies are able to deploy more sophisticated surveillance systems. While the Supreme Court ruled in 2012 that a judge’s approval is needed to track a car with GPS, networks of plate scanners allow police effectively to track a driver’s location, sometimes several times every day, with few legal restrictions.

The ACLU says the scanners assemble what it calls a “single, high-resolution image of our lives.”
  
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Driving Somewhere? There’s a Government Record of That
July 17th, 2013

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Chances are, your local or state police departments have photographs of your car in their files, noting where you were driving on a particular day, even if you never did anything wrong.

Using automated scanners, law enforcement agencies across the country have amassed millions of digital records on the location and movement of every vehicle with a license plate, according to a study published Wednesday by the American Civil Liberties Union. Affixed to police cars, bridges or buildings, the scanners capture images of passing or parked vehicles and note their location, uploading that information into police databases. Departments keep the records for weeks or years, sometimes indefinitely.

As the technology becomes cheaper and more ubiquitous, and federal grants focus on aiding local terrorist detection, even small police agencies are able to deploy more sophisticated surveillance systems. While the Supreme Court ruled in 2012 that a judge’s approval is needed to track a car with GPS, networks of plate scanners allow police effectively to track a driver’s location, sometimes several times every day, with few legal restrictions.

The ACLU says the scanners assemble what it calls a “single, high-resolution image of our lives.”
shhhhhhhhhhhhh... Its a matter of national security. As long as you are driving where you're supposed to, you have nothing to worry about...... ;-)

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If I missed something, maybe you can explain it to us all.

Taken from The Declaration Of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--"

A Summary of the US Constitution

The Twenty-seven Amendments to the US Constitution

1st: People have freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and the right to petition the Government. 1791.

2nd: People have the right to have a weapon to protect themselves. 1791.

3rd: Soldiers cannot take or live in a person's house. 1791.

4th: The government cannot arrest a person or search their property unless there is "probable cause." 1791.

5th: The government must follow the law (due process) before punishing a person. 1791.

6th: A person has the right to a fair and speedy trial by a jury. 1791.

7th: A person has the right to a jury trial for civil cases. 1791.

8th: The government cannot demand excessive bail or fines, or any cruel and unusual punishment. 1791.

9th: The Constitution does not include all of the right s of the people and the states. 1791.

10th: Any powers that the Constitution does not give to the federal government belong to the states. 1791.

11th: Citizens cannot sue states in federal courts. (There are some exceptions). 1795.

12th: The President and Vice President are elected on a party ticket. 1804.

13th: Slavery is illegal in the United States. 1865.

14th: Every person born in the USA is a citizen. An immigrant can become a naturalized citizen. 1868

15th: All US male citizens have the right to vote. 1870.

16th: Congress can tax income. 1913.

17th: The people can elect US Senators. 1913.

18th: Alcohol is illegal. (Prohibition). 1919.

19th: All US female citizens have the right to vote. 1920.

20th: The President is inaugurated in January. Congress begins to meet in January. 1933.

21th: Alcohol is legal. Each state can make laws about making, selling, and drinking alcohol. 1933.

22nd: The President cannot serve for more than two terms. 1951.

23rd: The US Citizens in the District of Columbia have the right to vote for President. 1961.

24th: It is illegal to make a citizen pay a voting fee or take a reading test to vote. 1964.

25th: If the president dies or cannot serve, the vice-president becomes resident. If both die, the Speaker of the House becomes president. 1967.

26th: US citizens who are 18 years old or older have the right to vote. 1971.

27th: Congress must limit when and how much its members are paid. 1992
Yeah, you certainly did. See the red part above.

Govt does not grant rights - it helps protect them.

Did govt provide you the right of self-defense?

I'm truly surprised to see such a vocal govt hater not understand this simple concept......you know - the simple concept our country was founded on.
  
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