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Switched to harder tip and started to play bad - 10-23-2019, 11:19 PM

Last week my Kamui Black Soft tip chunked out so I had a Sniper installed (Which is harder). Since then I have played the 6-ball and 7-ball ghost at least 15 times and lost every time. Depending upon the day, i normally come out even or ahead of the 6-ball ghost. I seem to be overrunning a lot of shots and missing shots that need to be hit softly.

Should I spend the money and switch back to a Kamui Black Soft or should I wait it out and see if I get better with the harder tip?

Also, I have never tried a tip softer than Kamui Black Soft so if i seem to play better with it might there be a chance I'll play even better with a Kamui Black SS?
  
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10-24-2019, 01:25 AM

Once it is in your head- which this obviously is now- I would go back to a tip you are most comfortable with already. I guarantee you, until you go back, you will blame every poor performance on that newer tip.
  
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10-24-2019, 03:03 AM

why not play with it some?
you may or may not end up liking it
but give the new tip a fair shake
worst case scenario, you learn something
if you bail without understanding why
you miss out on that chance


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10-24-2019, 03:51 AM

I was just the opposite. I went from a medium Onyx (Everest before that) to a Morri hard. And I haven't looked back. There was a learning curve to it. What I like most about it is it plays the same from the install, to the time i have to switch it out for a new one. Which is only every other year or so


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10-24-2019, 04:29 AM

Previously when I played I had always used harder tips. When I started playing again I found hard tips too hard and started playing with a softer tip than before. After a couple years back Iím back to a harder tip. Thoroughbred medium hard to be exact.


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10-24-2019, 06:05 AM

I am opposite of that as well. I always had a hard tip on my cues when I started playing because the only soft tip I tried was an elk master on a house cue. I made up my mind that those soft tips are junk only made for cheap cues. Of course I was wrong and once I got a hold of a kamui soft, my skill level went up a small notch. I was able to play position / draw / follow with a lot less effort. I haven't had a hard tip on my cues since (also not using kamui anymore either).

It really just comes down to preference on how you like to feel the hit and how much work you want to put in to maintain the tip.
  
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10-24-2019, 06:13 AM

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Last week my Kamui Black Soft tip chunked out so I had a Sniper installed (Which is harder). Since then I have played the 6-ball and 7-ball ghost at least 15 times and lost every time. Depending upon the day, i normally come out even or ahead of the 6-ball ghost. I seem to be overrunning a lot of shots and missing shots that need to be hit softly.

Should I spend the money and switch back to a Kamui Black Soft or should I wait it out and see if I get better with the harder tip?

Also, I have never tried a tip softer than Kamui Black Soft so if i seem to play better with it might there be a chance I'll play even better with a Kamui Black SS?
Just keep practicing. You'll get the speed down. I think there was a video or article somewhere explaining that harder tips impart more speed than their softer counterparts (maybe only marginally).

Once your brain is reprogrammed, you'll be fine. It's not much different than a table with new cloth. Everything rolls a little farther. But after you're used to it, all is right.

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10-24-2019, 06:15 AM

If your previous tip was played way down, like the thickness of a nickel or so, it might be more the height of the tip than the density. That's why a lot of people cut them back a ways during install. It feels strange for a while to have a thick tip when you're used to something shorter. Play with it for a bit, maybe have it trimmed down, before you give up on it.


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10-24-2019, 06:25 AM

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Last week my Kamui Black Soft tip chunked out so I had a Sniper installed (Which is harder). Since then I have played the 6-ball and 7-ball ghost at least 15 times and lost every time. Depending upon the day, i normally come out even or ahead of the 6-ball ghost. I seem to be overrunning a lot of shots and missing shots that need to be hit softly.

Should I spend the money and switch back to a Kamui Black Soft or should I wait it out and see if I get better with the harder tip?

Also, I have never tried a tip softer than Kamui Black Soft so if i seem to play better with it might there be a chance I'll play even better with a Kamui Black SS?
So there is obviously a lot of personal preference involved but snipers are just terrible in my opinion. I tried one since it came on my shaft. I hated it but gave it a few months. They might be harder than kamui soft but I wouldnít call them hard, it felt very sluggish to me and I just never felt comfortable with it.

I switched to an extra hard WB and itís sick. Now that itís almost gone though I think itís compressed and too hard. Starting to miscue.

I think tip hardness depends on play style. I like to use less force so I like I real hard tip to transfer max energy, I feel like Iím more accurate having to put less Umph for the same speed.

If I were you though I probably would ditch the sniper and go back to your kamui or experiment elsewhere
  
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10-24-2019, 08:14 AM

If your only problem is overrunning position, try hitting a quarter tip lower on the cue ball. In my experience, all the shots that can be made with one tip can be made with another, unless you are trying to get some large bit of masse going on. I have 6 different tips on 6 different cues, all of them play about the same though, slight adjustments do have to be made, but they are almost unconscious after the first couple of balls.. The only tip I ever put on that I didn't like was a Kamui Hard. Was very hard indeed.
  
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10-24-2019, 10:25 AM

I loved Sniper but they tend to fall apart. I tried Kamui black for a couple days. I couldn't keep the chalk on it. I could paint it on thick and by the next shot the whole tip would be empty. The CB would slip all around on the tip, I had to play center ball and very carefully. It was crazy. I switched to a Zan Medium and its the best tip I've ever played with.
  
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10-24-2019, 12:35 PM

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I loved Sniper but they tend to fall apart. I tried Kamui black for a couple days. I couldn't keep the chalk on it. I could paint it on thick and by the next shot the whole tip would be empty. The CB would slip all around on the tip, I had to play center ball and very carefully. It was crazy. I switched to a Zan Medium and its the best tip I've ever played with.
I recently started using the Zan as well. I believe I have the Hybrid Max medium. They play great, but seem to wear down MUCH faster than any other tips I have used.
  
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10-24-2019, 03:16 PM

I, personally, like hard tips (at least the ones made with pig leather)

But once it is in your head that you don't like a tip--for ANY reason, valid or imagined--
it is time to change you tip.
  
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10-24-2019, 05:05 PM

Switch back to what you were using and quit experimenting with your own cue.
Stick with what you know worked fine. If and when you encounter a cue you can
try that has a different tip than Kamui Black soft, and I recommend you actually
use Kamui Clear Black soft, then switch your cueís tip. Just play what you know
you like until you find a cue with a tip you prefer more. Tip hardness is important.


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10-24-2019, 07:51 PM

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Last week my Kamui Black Soft tip chunked out so I had a Sniper installed (Which is harder). Since then I have played the 6-ball and 7-ball ghost at least 15 times and lost every time. Depending upon the day, i normally come out even or ahead of the 6-ball ghost. I seem to be overrunning a lot of shots and missing shots that need to be hit softly.

Should I spend the money and switch back to a Kamui Black Soft or should I wait it out and see if I get better with the harder tip?

Also, I have never tried a tip softer than Kamui Black Soft so if i seem to play better with it might there be a chance I'll play even better with a Kamui Black SS?
I had Kamui Black Super Soft tips on my cues for a while and they didn't live up to my expectations. They constantly mushroomed and glazed over.

I switched them out for Ultra-Skin Black Soft tips and that is all I use now. The hit feels about the same, but they play way better, don't glaze over, and cost about 1/10 of what the Kamui tips cost.

I sold one to a guy about a year ago and, just last Sunday, he came up to me and said he had just put it on his cue and really liked it and wanted to buy some more. Prior to that, he was using one of the "high dollar" tips that are "over rated" and cost way more.

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