how are ya'll doing in league ?

justadub

justadub

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Seems good to me.

I agree with you that too much thought about stats and records could have a detrimental effect on some folks. I'm the captain of one team and co captain of another, so I kinda have to have some awareness of our records. If it's not going well though, we don't dwell on it. We are there to have fun first, win second. Usually when we make the first happen, we have a better shot at making the second happen.

I can find my personal records online at the APA site, so I don't have to keep them in my little brain. I usually know what my record is for the current session, though. Again, I try not to dwell on it, but it is a measure of how well I'm doing, and hopefully for improvement. (GASP a league player wanting to improve, say it ain't so!)

If you're comfortable not knowing the details, that's probably for the best.
 
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lorider

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Celophanewrap said:
I enjoy being in a league, although I don't know that I enjoy playing in league matches. I've been reading through this thread and I see some of you keep a real close tally of how you're doing in league, I wonder how that effects your game from week to week. I would think it would add to any pressure you might be feeling. Some people thrive under that, others, not so much. To be honest I try not to be concerned with anything but the game/match I'm in presently, and then only with my side of it. I don't usually wanna know the race or my opponents S/L. My captain says go play, and I go, when it's over they let me know and I stop. I figure if I shoot the last ball in I win. I do know that last week I beat a guy that I've never beat before. We usually play pretty even but he always managed to come out on top, this time I shut him out, felt good. I do like those little pins and patches that you get for break and runs and 8 ball breaks, my daughter has a jacket she keeps them on, she thinks they're cool. I don't think my captain trusts me to play in the "nuts matches", I'll have to work on that, but I do know we're in first place on both sides of Double Jeopardy and I have won more than I have lost. That's good, isn't it?
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winning more than you lose is all ways good.:D

as far as keeping up with stats go. being a captain i worry more about my team mates stats than i do mine....unless i am in a slump.

every week the day before league night i look up stats on the website.

i look to see who we play... what each player on that teams win loss record is .. and my team mates win loss record.

all that gives me an idea of how i want to match up.

as i stated earlier i had 2 players i wanted to lose their matches last weekend. no one on my team wants to lose a match....ever. i am not the type to ask them to lose. so i match them up where i believe they will lose.

its called handicap management.

one player is new. he started as a 3 in 9 ball and won his 1st match against one of the worst 3's in the league by 1 point. next week he is a 4. i know thats the way the system works but winning your 1st match ever by a score of 25-24 don't make you a 4.so i matched him up against a good 4 and my guy got his ass handed to him. hopefully he goes back to a 3 this week.

other guy is a weak 5. he was raised to a 5 recently after winning 4 out of the last 5 matches. all his wins were against 3's and 4's. i played him against a 6 and he got his has handed to him by a score of 17-3. that loss is not going to make him go back to a 4 but it will keep him from going up to a 6 where he has no bussiness being.

i really don't understand why he is a 5. i am a 5 and in the 3 years we have been playing together he has never beaten me. matter of fact he was playing a year before i joined.
 
Dunnn51

Dunnn51

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APA Rankings are a gauge at best

APA Rankings are a gauge at best....

I played a S/L 3 last week that didn't have a clue.Best of all, it was 8-Ball !! He would go to the tbl,...... STARE,...... stare some more,..... One of us would ask after 2-3 mins if he wanted a time-out. He took them both early, so after that it was "safety practice" for me. He was brand new, thought he could play, didn't take a game.
I WP'ed an 8-ball shot that gave him a game, he was giddy with joy.He lost his match, but he enjoyed playing and was happy I wasn't "an a$$", apparently alluding to my eternal patience at his decision making. I'll say one thing, he cared about his shot making.(he left me in some pretty tight places).

I have played "other" S/L 3's that are dangerous if you aren't careful. They make straight-in shots regularly. They make cross-table bank shots with ease.

A friend asked me to join his team in another league. Turns out I knew the captain, we all get along well. I'm no longer a co-captain in APA, had a "difference of opinion" 4 weeks before seasons end, which had capt's decision sending us to the basement instead of 3rd place. I'm over it: me & cap't are good ,but its still time to move on.Now I'm a shooter in APA on another team, and happier for it. :wink:
 
KRJ

KRJ

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Celophanewrap said:
I enjoy being in a league, although I don't know that I enjoy playing in league matches. I've been reading through this thread and I see some of you keep a real close tally of how you're doing in league, I wonder how that effects your game from week to week. I would think it would add to any pressure you might be feeling. Some people thrive under that, others, not so much. To be honest I try not to be concerned with anything but the game/match I'm in presently, and then only with my side of it. I don't usually wanna know the race or my opponents S/L. My captain says go play, and I go, when it's over they let me know and I stop. I figure if I shoot the last ball in I win. I do know that last week I beat a guy that I've never beat before. We usually play pretty even but he always managed to come out on top, this time I shut him out, felt good. I do like those little pins and patches that you get for break and runs and 8 ball breaks, my daughter has a jacket she keeps them on, she thinks they're cool. I don't think my captain trusts me to play in the "nuts matches", I'll have to work on that, but I do know we're in first place on both sides of Double Jeopardy and I have won more than I have lost. That's good, isn't it?
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I keep track as a gauge for myself. (not to mention both leagues give a print every week with the stats) I know where I should be winning percentage wise, and when you are shooting well, lots of confidence comes from that.

I also keep track of my batting avg in baseball too, cause I always know how I'm performing, and if I'm stinking the place up, I hit the cages and fine tune the swing a little :)

PS: plus I usually bet someone (12 pack) who is gonna have the better avg at end of year :)
 
Banks

Banks

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ChicagoRJ said:
I keep track as a gauge for myself. (not to mention both leagues give a print every week with the stats) I know where I should be winning percentage wise, and when you are shooting well, lots of confidence comes from that.

I also keep track of my batting avg in baseball too, cause I always know how I'm performing, and if I'm stinking the place up, I hit the cages and fine tune the swing a little :)

PS: plus I usually bet someone (12 pack) who is gonna have the better avg at end of year :)
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I played on a company's softball team once at this place. They had cages, I think 3 replica "stadiums", roller hockey rink, 3 or 4 sand volleyball courts, a couple of soccer fields and whatever else.. at the center was a bar/restaurant.

I like the way the APA has the site set up for viewing stats, including all others under the LO.. or at least in our area.
 
KRJ

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Banks said:
I played on a company's softball team once at this place. They had cages, I think 3 replica "stadiums", roller hockey rink, 3 or 4 sand volleyball courts, a couple of soccer fields and whatever else.. at the center was a bar/restaurant.

I like the way the APA has the site set up for viewing stats, including all others under the LO.. or at least in our area.
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that's quite a facility :)
 
DAVE_M

DAVE_M

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Defense in 8-ball works! lol
Won my match 4-1!!

I had to admit to myself that I can't play runout 8-ball every rack; and I'm one stubborn S.O.B.
 
Celophanewrap

Celophanewrap

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DAVE_M said:
Defense in 8-ball works! lol
Won my match 4-1!!

I had to admit to myself that I can't play runout 8-ball every rack; and I'm one stubborn S.O.B.
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You bet it does. Some people just hate to play me. I get this :
"Awwww dude, that's bltch pool"
It just kinda makes me smile
 
RFranklin

RFranklin

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D Wins

If you play APA swallow your pride and play defense. I used to be all offense but when you start giving up huge weight, a ball in hand means so much more to you than one more ball or an open table for a 3, 4 or 5. Especially in 9 ball since there is no roll out and you cant control the game like you usually would. Watch the pros. It may not look like it but when they do miss a leave, they duck. We all should too.
 
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mcsock

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RFranklin said:
If you play APA swallow your pride and play defense. I used to be all offense but when you start giving up huge weight, a ball in hand means so much more to you than one more ball or an open table for a 3, 4 or 5. Especially in 9 ball since there is no roll out and you cant control the game like you usually would. Watch the pros. It may not look like it but when they do miss a leave, they duck. We all should too.
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I totally agree, APA is about CB control and safes
 
krupa

krupa

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Celophanewrap said:
You bet it does. Some people just hate to play me. I get this :
"Awwww dude, that's bltch pool"
It just kinda makes me smile
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I never understood that thinking. Football has a defensive line, baseball isn't just a home run derby, hockey has goalies... why aren't you supposed to keep your opponent from winning in pool!?
 
justadub

justadub

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The only reason I won last night was cuz I played defense, cuz I damned sure couldn't get a run going :)

I think I played 5 defenses in a row in one game, the table was so messed up.

I kept at it, and survived. It wasn't pretty. At one point, my opponent said (in a good natured way) "I thought we were playing pool, not chess". Made my night.
 
Spimp13

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RFranklin said:
If you play APA swallow your pride and play defense. I used to be all offense but when you start giving up huge weight, a ball in hand means so much more to you than one more ball or an open table for a 3, 4 or 5. Especially in 9 ball since there is no roll out and you cant control the game like you usually would. Watch the pros. It may not look like it but when they do miss a leave, they duck. We all should too.
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+1 to this! It is probably one of the main reasons why I have an 80+ win % in 8 ball. I don't even try to play break and run pool. I care more for the Ws. It is sometimes brutal playing as a 7 vs a 4-5 that plays safe and can run out. After the break I assess right away if I feel I can run out and if not I better plan ahead on my safe/2 way shots etc.
 
ceodynamo

ceodynamo

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cue ball control, APA

Cue ball control is the name of the game in all of pool, no matter what game or league.

I went 4-2 and shot a 43 in our bca 9 ball league. much better performance than last weeks 1-5 with 20 points!!
 
JBB2388

JBB2388

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Don't understand the last few posts about defense. How would you play without it? Nobody's gonna NOT have a need for it. Not even the pros. What is the alternative? Taking wild shots and hoping they will go in? Thats what separates pool players from bangers. Are you a banger LOL?

So anyway, Tuesday night league last night. Played last and didn't even start my match until 11:40. I knew it was going to be a late night when the first match between two SL3s took an hour and 25 minutes to play three freakin racks. Unbelievable. Won my match 5-0 in less than 35 min. Going into my match our team was suckin ass. We were down 8-1 after the first 4 matches. I played a SL5 who was clearly an aforementioned banger. Didn't play even one defensive shot. Hard to believe he was a SL5 the way he played. We ended up salvaging 4 points.
 
DAVE_M

DAVE_M

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JBB2388 said:
Don't understand the last few posts about defense. How would you play without it? Nobody's gonna NOT have a need for it. Not even the pros. What is the alternative? Taking wild shots and hoping they will go in? Thats what separates pool players from bangers. Are you a banger LOL?
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We all know it's needed. Most of the time we don't play enough defense. That's what is to understand about the last few posts.
 
justadub

justadub

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JBB2388 said:
Don't understand the last few posts about defense. How would you play without it? Nobody's gonna NOT have a need for it. Not even the pros. What is the alternative? Taking wild shots and hoping they will go in? Thats what separates pool players from bangers. Are you a banger LOL?
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I don't consider myself a banger, but you might, if you watched me play :p

Many league players think they can make any shot they can see. Whether they have another shot afterwards, or just a very low chance of success. These decisions are what we are talking about. At least I am.

I will leave'em long, or only a bad angled bank, and let them make it easy on me.

I'd rather shoot run out pool. I don't have that ability, much of the time, sadly.
 
RFranklin

RFranklin

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Defense/Offense

My comments about safeties were mainly directed toward the "bangers". In 9 ball you can turn a 5 into a 7 pretty easily with the proper application of safties due to the ball count scoring. Bangers just try to run out everything instead of having that sliding scale that most high ranking players have. If you are anything less than 70% sure you can execute the shot AND get your leave, duck. I had my opponent down 56-5 and missed a late safety. He worked it to 16-4 instead of the 19-1 or 18-2 just that easily so I cost my team a couple of points.
 
JBB2388

JBB2388

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justadub said:
Many league players think they can make any shot they can see. Whether they have another shot afterwards, or just a very low chance of success. These decisions are what we are talking about. At least I am.
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Yeah I agree. We have a guy on our team that insists on trying to make any and every shot with total disregard for whether or not he will be in position for his next shot. He just doesn't get it no matter how many times I explain it to him. "If I have a makeable shot, I am going to take it and take my chances on the next shot." Again, this is what separates the players from the bangers IMO. I almost think that just being a member at AZB and posting here disqualifies you as being a banger. :thumbup: Also, Its moreso the notion of "not playing enough defense" that I don't understand. You don't just play defense just to play it. Some days you need it more than others. Obviously if you are not out of position on many shots you won't need defense. Right? If say you're up in a match 4-0 sometimes you are more likely to take a lower percentage shot than you would otherwise in a tight match. I'm not sure if I'm making my point clear or not. Not trying to be argumentative. ;)
 
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