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11-10-2019, 06:06 AM

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Well said!!!!

I get sick and tired of hearing people yap, yap yap about how boring it is to watch someone run rack after rack.....

LOLLOLOLOL

I say: read that again and again until "running rack after rack" is seen for what it truly is.

It's the sign of a true champion.

As for me, well, I will never get tired of watching SVB run packs. As a matter of fact, I enjoy watching ANYONE runs racks.

To go a little further:

All this horse crap is like people that say 14.1 is boring. We know why they think it's boring. It's because they don't know what their watching.

14.1 players like John Schmidt for example, can be watched and looked at as boring as hell OR a person can really pay attention and learn something IF they know what to look for.

Same thing with players like SVB. Watching him move around the table playing 10 ball is about like watching a HIGHLY skilled 14.1 player run big numbers.

How ANYONE cqn say ^^^^^^^^^ is boring and then say they love the games or are students of the game is beyond me.

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11-10-2019, 06:37 AM

Shortbus, I missed that analysis. Do you have a link by chance? Iíd like to read it.

I also agree Shaneís break is way better because he hits the 1 ball way more consistently rack after rack. Heís not rigging the rack.
  
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11-10-2019, 07:13 AM

Dennis never had a shot in this. I think Shane beats him every time. Chang is the only one I see with a real chance at beating him in a long 10 ball race. 9 ball is a whole different story though.


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11-10-2019, 08:11 AM

Put him in the box with Filler or Ko and I'd have to buy the stream.
THAT I want to see.


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Jay you remember (the cream comes to the top) saying. All this bs Shane,s cheating by no playing nits is whats wrong in the game.Give me 10 or 20 Shane,s and i could find a tour sponsor. Races that end 11-10 11-9 dont reflect any dominance . It,s like Ronnie at 1p playing 10or11-6or 7 and running out.That was showing dominance .If you want to know who,s the best go play your favorite (you rack all the games) bet high.Then play Shane the same way and decide who,s best. Dont play Shane first you will be broke..
  
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11-10-2019, 09:40 AM

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So you would be willing to bet that Shane makes a ball on the break (without fouling) 89% of the time, or more, with a neutral racker?
Not necessarily, and that just means heís even better since his win rate stays the same no matter whatís happening rack-wise.

But in reality, in 10 ball...with a template...it doesnít much matter who is racking them lol. And if a neutral racker gives a tight rack then Iíd say his percentage is going to be close
  
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11-10-2019, 10:26 AM

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If I never see another long race....itíll be too soon.

Whatís wrong with race to 15.....best of seven sets?
...and there could be action every set....besides on the long haul.
I think the format that Shane and Siming Chen played with was very effective. I think they were races to 21 best of 7 sets.
Or maybe it was 15 (itís sunday and Iím feeling lazy to look it up )

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11-10-2019, 10:30 AM

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I think the format that Shane and Siming Chen played with was very effective. I think they were races to 21 best of 7 sets.
Or maybe it was 15 (itís sunday and Iím feeling lazy to look it up )

Great format though.
Race to 21, best of 3 would be good to me .
SVB vs Chang


  
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11-10-2019, 10:35 AM

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Race to 21, best of 3 would be good to me .
SVB vs Chang
Canít argue with that. It would be perfect test of dominance, pressure, endurance and skill.
  
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11-10-2019, 12:36 PM

In such a looong race match like it was a race to 120 and even to 100 I guess there is no way the streamer will get a lot of viewers from the different time zone. Somebody like me who is crazy enough about pool to watch a great battle with players like SVB but being from Europe...well it means no sleep 3 nights in a row. I would not like to have a risk and discover myself to be single. How crazy the one should be to go through such a marathon. I understand the organizers of such the action matches don't bother much about such "little things"...
When it comes to me I would be glad to watch SVB playing against such opponents in that order:
- Chang J.L.
- Wu C.C.
- J.Filler
- R.Chinahov.
BTW during the last Kremlin cup before the dream challenge there was a training camp Johan held with team USA and team Russia players divided in pairs (american + russian in each). Well SVB practiced in pair with Ruslan and both of them were the best in some most difficult drills Johan offered. He was just amazed how come they were able to finish those in their first attempt...
In addition there was ABN challenge 10-ball race to 30 match back in 2015 if I remember correctly. The same year Ruslan won Kremlin cup. Ruslan won in that challenge match 30-22. I'm aware of what Ruslan is capable and would be glad to see him playing vs SVB in action one more time. I like his fundamentals much more than DO. So as he is fairly close when it comes to height to me he's one of my favorite players to watch (so smooth and fluid). When it comes to the cueing only Ronny O'Sullivan I like even better


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11-10-2019, 12:55 PM

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Shortbus, I missed that analysis. Do you have a link by chance? Iíd like to read it.

I also agree Shaneís break is way better because he hits the 1 ball way more consistently rack after rack. Heís not rigging the rack.
No, just remember reading that Mike explicitly stated that there was not a measurable difference Shane's performance with a neutral racker.

Shane's haters must be missing the part of how consistently he pops the cue ball in the air, landing PAST the sides, dead middle of the table... And his opponents... Don't. There's no f***ing secret to that other than hitting them firm, and dead square. Which automatically results in balls made. People doubting Shane's 10 ball break, and insinuating he is rigging the rack somehow, pretty much don't play well enough to even be able to judge the man's strengths.
  
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11-10-2019, 01:10 PM

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I didn't get to see either of those matches.

It's funny how some matches take hours and hours or even days to play then, the same two players play the same type set later on in a very short time.

It happens. More often than most think. Especially in gambling sessions, where the cheese is up for grabs on "that" set and not "x" sets later even if you get put on losers side.

Gambling is a whole nother mind set for most. I guess it was why some really great players preferred private matches back in the day...or at least that was one of the reasons.

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In such a looong race match like it was a race to 120 and even to 100 I guess there is no way the streamer will get a lot of viewers from the different time zone. Somebody like me who is crazy enough about pool to watch a great battle with players like SVB but being from Europe...well it means no sleep 3 nights in a row. I would not like to have a risk and discover myself to be single. How crazy the one should be to go through such a marathon. I understand the organizers of such the action matches don't bother much about such "little things"...
When it comes to me I would be glad to watch SVB playing against such opponents in that order:
- Chang J.L.
- Wu C.C.
- J.Filler
- R.Chinahov.
BTW during the last Kremlin cup before the dream challenge there was a training camp Johan held with team USA and team Russia players divided in pairs (american + russian in each). Well SVB practiced in pair with Ruslan and both of them were the best in some most difficult drills Johan offered. He was just amazed how come they were able to finish those in their first attempt...
In addition there was ABN challenge 10-ball race to 30 match back in 2015 if I remember correctly. The same year Ruslan won Kremlin cup. Ruslan won in that challenge match 30-22. I'm aware of what Ruslan is capable and would be glad to see him playing vs SVB in action one more time. I like his fundamentals much more than DO. So as he is fairly close when it comes to height to me he's one of my favorite players to watch (so smooth and fluid). When it comes to the cueing only Ronny O'Sullivan I like even better
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11-10-2019, 01:44 PM

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i would include kaci in that list, and lil ko
Yes, I'd be pleased to watch Ko Ping Chung vs SVB as often as possible too. So he's on my list too.
His comeback vs SVB in US-Open 9-ball 2018 was something I'll never forget and I like to watch him playing too. K.Kaci... definitely really talented player with solid fundamentals but when it comes to his rhythm and his experience how to use it to get a desirable result...well I don't see myself being able to watch it in some long race action...and believe me I'm really patient enough but it is very likely to be beyond my level of patience
But...he is fairly young yet and has so many years ahead so I believe his rhythm may change for more watchable. At least here in Europe he has to be comfortable playing under shot'clock. We'll see how he's going to perform in Mosconi cup in a couple of weeks


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I think the format that Shane and Siming Chen played with was very effective. I think they were races to 21 best of 7 sets.
Or maybe it was 15 (it’s sunday and I’m feeling lazy to look it up )

Great format though.
SVB vs, Chen was races to 11, 9-Ball, winner breaks, rack your own, Accu-Rack, 9-ball on the foot spot. Their successful break rate was 71%.

I, too, like the best of x races to y, where y could be almost anything up to 21.
  
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Yes, I'd be pleased to watch Ko Ping Chung vs SVB as often as possible too. So he's on my list too.
His comeback vs SVB in US-Open 9-ball 2018 was something I'll never forget and I like to watch him playing too. K.Kaci... definitely really talented player with solid fundamentals but when it comes to his rhythm and his experience how to use it to get a desirable result...well I don't see myself being able to watch it in some long race action...and believe me I'm really patient enough but it is very likely to be beyond my level of patience
But...he is fairly young yet and has so many years ahead so I believe his rhythm may change for more watchable. At least here in Europe he has to be comfortable playing under shot'clock. We'll see how he's going to perform in Mosconi cup in a couple of weeks
i agree. i didn't say i liked watching him, only that he is one of the few who could derail the shane train.
  
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