Not whining at all. Just saying what it sounded like to me.
APA league operator issues
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Not whining at all. Just saying what it sounded like to me.
It's a general directive to be aware of teams that have several players "on the verge" and let them know ahead of time so they can consider self-promoting a player or two. We don't tell them which players, but they know.
Lyn,
It's absolutley the responsibility of your captain to check handicaps prior to the matches. Not sure how many teams were playing but I think it's unrealistic to expect the LO to let every team know if they had players move or down. It's up to the team captain to check prior to match ups.
Koop
APA Operator is spot on. I assist with the LO in my area and they notify teams if there is a member(s) that is on the verge of going up prior to the LTC tournament. This is so that they can certify them as a higher handicap so as NOT to be disqualified at nationals. It is not to let you know whom to have "sandbag" or to disqualify that team right away. Prior to playing in the LTC you need to sing a form, everyone on the team does, that you are at the rating it says or that you believe yourself to be a higher or lower handicap. If you believe someone on the team is better than they are ranked at, then you need to say that. If you do not, then you are cheating by allowing it to occur.
Another reason for the LO to let you know is that if they have a team get disqualified at nationals, they lose one spot for the next calander year at nationals. So why would a LO allow you to get disqualified at nationals if that had an adverse effect on them?
Another reason for the LO to let you know is that if they have a team get disqualified at nationals, they lose one spot for the next calander year at nationals. So why would a LO allow you to get disqualified at nationals if that had an adverse effect on them?
I agree. However within the bounds of the APA there are many contradicting statements. Something the APA seems emphatic about is leaving the S/L's to the LO or your local league office. In the team manual it discourages us from trying to track our own S/L's.
"Don't worry about the handicap system, enjoy yourself, play your game and let the system do it's job"or something like that
If the system were doing it's job I submit that going up or down during the LTC or NTC wouldn't be a concern. Score keeping and S/L's seem to work differently when you get beyond the local weekly playoffs. What's the rule at that level? If you have upward movement of more that 2 S/L's you get DQ'd. This is where it frustrating for those of us that don't try to manipulate the system.
I have to agree with League Operator, and other's, comments. It's get bumped now, or likely get DQ'd in the tournament. I've had a team in the same situation, had a player get bumped just before going out to Nationals... And I'd take that over going out there and getting DQ'd a couple rounds in... That would be a waste of everybody's time and energy.
Ok now we have no problem being moved up in skill level, isn't that the point to improve? She told my captain who the 3 players are to be moved up she also said we could be moved up even if we don't play , she has the power to move up anyone's skill level then why not do it now instead of telling us shell do at city's and then DQ us?
It is actually set up so that if your TEAM moves up more than two full ratings. So if you have two players who are both at a 3.5 and they both move to a 4.5 then you would be disqualified. So if team X has three players that are all moving up, you can see how easy it would be for the team to be disqualified.
and this is why I quit APA for BCAPL, no handicaps to worry about.
You are still not understanding what your L.O. is telling you. When you get to the City Tournament you will be presented with your team members handicaps. You have the option before the tournament starts to raise the handicap on anyone on your team. You can even have your L.O. raise someone's handicap before you even get there.
Since you have been warned of the impending handicap bump, I would highly suggest you raise at least one of your players handicap up 1 SL to avoid the DQ. Pick the player that's skill level is the highest above their current SL so that they will have the best chance to win verses the other two players.
I've had to do the same thing several times before the city tournament and it didn't make any difference in our finish.
Kelly
Since you have been warned of the impending handicap bump, I would highly suggest you raise at least one of your players handicap up 1 SL to avoid the DQ. Pick the player that's skill level is the highest above their current SL so that they will have the best chance to win verses the other two players.
I've had to do the same thing several times before the city tournament and it didn't make any difference in our finish.
Kelly
Sounds like people are complaining about your players.
Sucks if it's legit but it's what league players do best sometimes.
we have Cities next weekend also. Im in one of the Arlington, Tx. APA leagues.
When we get done with that, I am also done with APA. It's mainly the hours for me. we typically dont finish before 1AM, but other things as you've mentioned also contributed to that decision.
I have seen the flyers for TAP in some of our bars so i know it's here. I think we plan to try and start BCA on that night to make up for it.
When we get done with that, I am also done with APA. It's mainly the hours for me. we typically dont finish before 1AM, but other things as you've mentioned also contributed to that decision.
I have seen the flyers for TAP in some of our bars so i know it's here. I think we plan to try and start BCA on that night to make up for it.
Totally agree. The whole system can be frustrating. After doing it for so long I just kind of gave up and just play.
Koop,
I agree in principle. In actual practice wouldn't you feel somewhat screwed if your LO decided to raise one of your teammates between rounds of the playoffs or worse Cities without telling you? Just printing out the new scoresheets with the adjusted averages? I'm pretty interested in my team and teammates. It never occurred to me a change would happen that late without notification. Kind of like when we found out after the end of a session in which we thought we finished first only to find out, after the end of play, the LO "forgot" to mention another team was "owed" some points from an earlier weekly session and wound up one point ahead of us. The LO does have some responsibilities!
I feel for the OP. It appears to me the league operator is responsible to the APA and them only. Not the players who support them financially on a weekly and yearly basis.
Lyn
Lyn, I definitely would feel screwed. I guess my point is, it's happened to me before and I just learned to ALWAYS check because you never know.
Yeah, this has happened on more than one ocasion in where my LO has raised teams not only prior to LTC, but during LTC and even in LTC' final match.... say about three times already. So I am purty used to it.Which you brought up a very good point... somtimes they think of what goes into their own and APA's pocket then the actual bal pocket of the player.
It doesn't make me happy, but it is what it is, and work on what I can do for the team and I.
Flux
Played for 6 years and quit because the exact same thing happened the last 5 years in a row.
Pool Net Handicapping & TAP have a unique double red flag system to automatically DQs underrated players. It's a state of the art handicapping system which is now combined with mobile device scoring,
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.runoutapps.scorekeeper
Played for 6 years and quit because the exact same thing happened the last 5 years in a row.
Pool Net Handicapping & TAP have a unique double red flag system to automatically DQs underrated players. It's a state of the art handicapping system which is now combined with mobile device scoring,
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.runoutapps.scorekeeper
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Don't you know that you can't beat the APA as long as they are endorsed by Jeanette Lee? 
Roger
Roger
That's what it sounded like to me too. Your LO was telling you that your team had better dump next time you play or you will be DQ'd.
You're LO is doing you a big favor by letting you know that you have several players that are on the verge of going up in handicap. At least you now know how everyone stands handicap wise for the championship and your team can plan on how to approach the tourney. Look at the bright side, your players are getting better, therefore so should their skill level.