You need to turn around and look at your OWN ass buddy, cuz' you've shown a lot of it!
Mosconi Cup table playing easy
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You need to turn around and look at your OWN ass buddy, cuz' you've shown a lot of it!
jtarewicz15
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Just put new cloth on my table and it plays the same way, even with 4.25" pockets. Would love to know what's the size of the pockets on the diamond they are playing on.
IMO I'd rather see an event like this played on 4" pockets or less.
IMO I'd rather see an event like this played on 4" pockets or less.
What for? There have been plenty of misses allready! The only thing you will achieve is more safety play and more misses. There is allready plenty of both (for 9-ball anyway). Personally I loved the Grey/Schmidt match. 6 runouts and ever increasing pressure, what a treat that was. I'd rather have that than 4-ball runs and safes any day.
I guess my cart is full then, this is what most of the GCs in this country look like before they get replaced, or in this case rebuilt, which adds to why so many tables in this country are just plain junk, and need to be replaced, so that people get the chance to play on pool tables that play right, and don't hold their game back.
If all is equal then tables are equal
I have played on both Diamonds and GC - I's II's III's and IIII's for many years as I'm sure most players here on AZB have as well.
If you take a 9ft Diamond and have it set up to be "the dead nuts"...perfect in every way by a top mechanic...and then do the same on a Gold Crown..EVERYTHING THE EXACT SAME..rails -rail calibration - pocket size - shim - shelf depth...slate install..leveling..etc, etc there is no "better" table. You may have a personal preference as far as looks or what you grew up on or what you are used to but there is nothing one table can do that the other cannot. One table won't outplay the other..its a fallacy.
Personal preference doesn't make one table "better" than the other. a 4.25 inch pocket cut and shimmed the same way with all the same materials for each table is going to play the exact same..Artemis Rails installed the same way covered the identical way with 860 cloth will play the same, again when everything is done exactly the same setup wise from one table to the next..neither is a superior nor inferior product.
I have played many times at a friend's home in LA who has a GC III that was set up and is maintained by Ernesto/Oscar and it is perfection, as are some of the Diamond tables set up by top mechanics that play off the charts.
With all the wood used on a Diamond the price is much higher and rightfully so, it has been said that the amount of wood used to make a 9 footer can make over 100 cues, not sure if thats true but could be...but one table isn't "better" if they are set up identical to each other in every way..a person may have a definite preference but that's all it is.
I have played on both Diamonds and GC - I's II's III's and IIII's for many years as I'm sure most players here on AZB have as well.
If you take a 9ft Diamond and have it set up to be "the dead nuts"...perfect in every way by a top mechanic...and then do the same on a Gold Crown..EVERYTHING THE EXACT SAME..rails -rail calibration - pocket size - shim - shelf depth...slate install..leveling..etc, etc there is no "better" table. You may have a personal preference as far as looks or what you grew up on or what you are used to but there is nothing one table can do that the other cannot. One table won't outplay the other..its a fallacy.
Personal preference doesn't make one table "better" than the other. a 4.25 inch pocket cut and shimmed the same way with all the same materials for each table is going to play the exact same..Artemis Rails installed the same way covered the identical way with 860 cloth will play the same, again when everything is done exactly the same setup wise from one table to the next..neither is a superior nor inferior product.
I have played many times at a friend's home in LA who has a GC III that was set up and is maintained by Ernesto/Oscar and it is perfection, as are some of the Diamond tables set up by top mechanics that play off the charts.
With all the wood used on a Diamond the price is much higher and rightfully so, it has been said that the amount of wood used to make a 9 footer can make over 100 cues, not sure if thats true but could be...but one table isn't "better" if they are set up identical to each other in every way..a person may have a definite preference but that's all it is.
But if more so called pool table mechanics in this country cared about this profession, and more room owners cared about their equipment to keep them in top condition, this is what they'd look like when the customers play on the tables.
jtarewicz15
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Yes there have been some misses, and yes smaller pockets will cause more. It's not that everybody does not want to see run out pool with less safeties. But wouldn't you think tighter pockets would add to the pressure. Imagine winding up on the 50 yd line on a 9ball hill/hill.
Golf has sort of taken this approach. Nobody wants to see a US OPEN when the guy winning on Sunday is -15. They like to see the pros struggle like the average golfer. But that's my opinion.
On another note, I am surprised on how many fewer illegal breaks we've seen this year.
i thought it was just me, till i read this thread. last Mosconi, we snuck onto the game table as well as the players' table - shhh! KK9 checked both, and the cloth was fast & pockets tight. i've got pics somewhere.
my theory is (Icon), that Barry Hearn wanted a closer race this year, so the pockets are what they are....
there have been numerous shots that NEVER should have dropped (or i would have called "slop!"
), but it's moving the matches along faster & we're not down by 9.pocket size is different than last year
Time out,.,.,...
The the reason the balls are being pocketed easier this year is because the table has pro cut pockets @ 4.5 inches standard for Diamonds.
Last year , the table I set up for Mosconi cup in VEGAS had a custom railset with the pockets @ 4.25 inches...making all the difference in the world about which balls go in and which ones don't.....
The MAJOR issue,...when the pockets get smaller USA gets their BUTTS KICKED 11-2 aand Sky sports looses a whole day of LIVE TV coverage... So this year its back to the standard 4.5 inches to see if we can compete!!!!!!
That's the difference
Gordon Graham
Vegas/Seattle
425-275-8255
PS RKC ,...GET SOME FU%&ING WORK DONE!!! & QUIT HIGH JACKING THREADS
Time out,.,.,...
The the reason the balls are being pocketed easier this year is because the table has pro cut pockets @ 4.5 inches standard for Diamonds.
Last year , the table I set up for Mosconi cup in VEGAS had a custom railset with the pockets @ 4.25 inches...making all the difference in the world about which balls go in and which ones don't.....
The MAJOR issue,...when the pockets get smaller USA gets their BUTTS KICKED 11-2 aand Sky sports looses a whole day of LIVE TV coverage... So this year its back to the standard 4.5 inches to see if we can compete!!!!!!
That's the difference
Gordon Graham
Vegas/Seattle
425-275-8255
PS RKC ,...GET SOME FU%&ING WORK DONE!!! & QUIT HIGH JACKING THREADS
Anything under 4.25 is no fun to play at or watch. They had the TAR table tightened and then it went back to the old size. 4.5 is a great size for any table, maybe your home practice table could be tighter but anything else you start to lose out on playing one side of the pocket vs another and shots down the rail are very tough.
There are no illegal breaks at all this year because from what I can tell there is no more illegal break rule for balls passing the string.
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This year's Mosconi Cup does not have an illegal-break rule (at least x balls reach y line), nor did last year's Cup.
But an illegal-break rule was used in 2012.
Make it stop raining here, hasn't stopped in 5 days straight now!!!
World Cup of pool used that rule also and I think still does. It's probably easy to confuse the two.
Ah, I did not know they had a different table setup than last year.
Great, more info I should have researched between betting on the euros with a 3 game spot LOL No Mika this year and looser pockets. With that setup 3 games is a very even bet even favoring the US.
Yet another shot, Mark grey hits two ball two diamonds up and it still falls. My equipment is seriously handicapped if this is how real tables are supposed to play. That shot hangs up all day on any table I've played on.