Using the rack
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I watched either Marop or Dennis (can't remember which) use the rack for that purpose on a dvd the other day. If they use it I doubt that it is illegal. I drew the rack outline on my table. I screwed it up and have a double line on one side but I know if a ball is within the rack area or not.
I always thought that and all my tables in my room are outlined, it really helps
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I thought it is a foul to touch the rack on the table to check the location of a break ball. You can hold the rack above the table to check, which is legal. Does anyone know the rules in this subject.
Thanks, j
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We went through this in another thread not long ago. I expressed my opinion that if the rack is not outlined on the table it is ok to lay the rack on the table. How else would you make the determination? Jay Helfert agreed with me.
Dave Nelson
Dave Nelson
I can see the argument where it wouldn't be legal...
basically the outcome of the game can be affected by the use of a measuring device that isn't the cue. The guy plays shot A if it's out of the rack and shot B if it's in the rack. I know they made rules limiting what you can measure/estimate with... just the cue right? This is measuring/estimating something else but maybe the spirit of the rule would be violated if you're trying to judge something with anything other than your eye and your cue.
Personally I think the lines should be there and if they're not, then the rack is a substitute for the lines that ought to be there. Of all the ways I want to make my opponent lose, having him misjudge a ball near the rack isn't really in the top 10.
basically the outcome of the game can be affected by the use of a measuring device that isn't the cue. The guy plays shot A if it's out of the rack and shot B if it's in the rack. I know they made rules limiting what you can measure/estimate with... just the cue right? This is measuring/estimating something else but maybe the spirit of the rule would be violated if you're trying to judge something with anything other than your eye and your cue.
Personally I think the lines should be there and if they're not, then the rack is a substitute for the lines that ought to be there. Of all the ways I want to make my opponent lose, having him misjudge a ball near the rack isn't really in the top 10.
When you draw the outline of the rack you trace around the outside of the rack, not the inside.
True, however here is a little gimmick I use on my home table. Since I rack many times only 14 balls I draw the inside curve only at the apex. This makes it real easy to get a consistent rack. Notice, I said, my home table.
Dave Nelson
I remember in previous version of World Rules it was directly pointed that a triangle can be used to determine if a ball is in the rack or not. Maybe it was not in the Rules but in Instructions for referees but I'm certain it was typed in official rules. Now they just demand an outline: The marked outline of the triangle will be used to determine whether an intended break ball is in the rack area. (4.2)
rack use in Swedish Championship
Swedish Championship, Straight Pool, Final, J. Lundell vs J. Chawki - see rack use at about 37 minutes into match... however, there is no rack outline drawn on the table.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5097062
Just a little FYI
Swedish Championship, Straight Pool, Final, J. Lundell vs J. Chawki - see rack use at about 37 minutes into match... however, there is no rack outline drawn on the table.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5097062
Just a little FYI
tHANKS mEN
The answers were what I always said, and they did settle an argument
thanks to you all
highrun55
The answers were what I always said, and they did settle an argument
thanks to you all
highrun55
I always carry a stick of soapstone with me in my case,that I sharpen with some coarse sandpaper. You just lightly draw the outline while you play, it's hardly visible, and when you're done playing you simply wipe it off. It costs about 25 cents in any welding supply store.
I don't believe it is illegal to use the rack.
I don't believe it is illegal to use the rack.
Soapstone
Soapstone is a good idea when you are away from your home table and playing 14.1 Many times you just have to hold the rack over the balls and try to get an idea if the ball is in or out of the rack. I seen a few mistakes doing it that way over the years. Having the Soapstone would really help.
Soapstone is a good idea when you are away from your home table and playing 14.1 Many times you just have to hold the rack over the balls and try to get an idea if the ball is in or out of the rack. I seen a few mistakes doing it that way over the years. Having the Soapstone would really help.