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logical · Aug 15, 2019

I agree with what many here are expressing. It's a difficult explanation to put into words but I think the general idea is that thinking the only saleable product here is a video twice as long as most movies is off base. To think such a product will provide a lifelong income stream is just not realistic. It not only overstates the size of the audience but also ignores the real opportunity.

I'm not sure there is a huge opportunity here at all but if there is it is the creation of a product known as "The man who beat Mosconi". Public apearances, instructional videos created or even simply enforced by JS, product enforcements, exhibitions and who knows what else are the opportunity. This only happens with publicity, buzz and awareness and right now there is none of that. I saw a 30 second Revo commercial with John...but where is that playing except on the Predator website?

Balls · Aug 15, 2019

More good news

Funny stuff, and 5 Hour energy is now approved by the BCA as well since they were aware of it. 5 Hour will help your game in a variety of ways you can learn about yourself. Hec, You can even Beat Mosconni lol

I guess the hustle never stops in pool. sigh. But that's pools legacy isn't it. Just don't expect everyone to to buy into your BS but I'm guessing you already know that.

Oh well, Have fun with that at your next Tournament while you loose your money to people that use it.

Shuddy · Aug 15, 2019

Balls said:
Funny stuff, and 5 Hour energy is now approved by the BCA as well since they were aware of it. 5 Hour will help your game in a variety of ways you can learn about yourself. Hec, You can even Beat Mosconni lol

I guess the hustle never stops in pool. sigh. But that's pools legacy isn't it. Just don't expect everyone to to buy into your BS but I'm guessing you already know that.

Oh well, Have fun with that at your next Tournament while you loose your money to people that use it.

What? I.... what?

RiverCity · Aug 15, 2019

Shuddy said:
What? I.... what?

5 Hour energy drink users.

Scum of the fooking earth.

They would steal the pennies off a dead mans eyes to get their fix.

They would rob their own grandmother just for a sip of that sweet sweet caffeine shot.

How they are allowed to cheat by drinking those little bottles before a tournament is beyond me.

Its worse than the opioid epidemic we face. 5 Hour Energy is a scourge on humanity, much less pool.

I was out driving around earlier this evening, I saw 6 cop cars surrounding this one guy, clenching one of those familiar little bottles in his hand, threatening to drink it if they got any closer. Spoiler, they had to shoot him dead because he already drank 2 of those poisonous little berry flavored boosters.

If we as a society cannot rid the game of pool from energy shots, and herbal supplements that are sold on convenience store counters nationwide..... We are fooked. :duck:

trob · Aug 16, 2019

Every post I read of yours is absolutely insane.. what sport doesn’t shoe’s or food or drink that they sell as it will make you better lol I would give you a red but I can’t . It’s been to soon since your last one.

Balls said:
Funny stuff, and 5 Hour energy is now approved by the BCA as well since they were aware of it. 5 Hour will help your game in a variety of ways you can learn about yourself. Hec, You can even Beat Mosconni lol

I guess the hustle never stops in pool. sigh. But that's pools legacy isn't it. Just don't expect everyone to to buy into your BS but I'm guessing you already know that.

Oh well, Have fun with that at your next Tournament while you loose your money to people that use it.

skogstokig · Aug 16, 2019

so the inactivity was due to BCA bureaucracy?

JazzyJeff87 · Aug 16, 2019

skogstokig said:
so the inactivity was due to BCA bureaucracy?

I don't think so, I'm sure the video could've come anytime. But with their announcement possibly stirring a few people up about it again maybe now would be the time for him to do something.

erhino41 · Aug 16, 2019

Balls said:
Funny stuff, and 5 Hour energy is now approved by the BCA as well since they were aware of it. 5 Hour will help your game in a variety of ways you can learn about yourself. Hec, You can even Beat Mosconni lol

I guess the hustle never stops in pool. sigh. But that's pools legacy isn't it. Just don't expect everyone to to buy into your BS but I'm guessing you already know that.

Oh well, Have fun with that at your next Tournament while you loose your money to people that use it.

You're still on the 5 hour energy thing? Mosconi was on nicotine. There is a reason why baseball players use a lot of tobacco products just before they get up to bat. Your one of the trolliest trolls I have read in awhile. It's not a bandwagon if your the only one on it.

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pt109 · Aug 16, 2019

erhino41 said:
You're still on the 5 hour energy thing? Mosconi was on nicotine. There is a reason why baseball players use a lot of tobacco products just before they get up to bat. Your one of the trolliest trolls I have read in awhile. It's not a bandwagon if your the only one on it.

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I have a confession to make....I haven’t played on the natural since I was a teenager..

Now that Juan Valdez has gone to his reward....I’m looking for a new stake horse

Bob Jewett · Aug 16, 2019

skogstokig said:
so the inactivity was due to BCA bureaucracy?

The BCA was busy with the preparations and aftermath of the annual BCA Expo. The office has two people. I guess you could call that a bureaucracy.

Bob Jewett · Aug 16, 2019

pt109 said:
... Now that Juan Valdez has gone to his reward....I’m looking for a new stake horse

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I believe that is actually a burro, which is not a horse and not exactly a donkey. They can stand a lot of weight.

jimmyg · Aug 16, 2019

While John certainly accomplished an amazing feat, one that every serious pool player can appreciate and admire, unfortunately it was done in an era quite different than the time when Willie ran his 526. Willie was a household name in his time and pool was enjoying an amazing national boom, one likely never to be repeated. He made guest appearances on TV, was in the box office hit, The Hustler", and was constantly written up in the major newspapers and sports magazines, he was actually a "star". Times are different and probably no one other than a real pool player knows John's name.

Only a diehard straight pool player, of which there aren't many, would enjoy and appreciate watching his complete run, let alone all of his failed attempts.

While most of us wish him the best, both personally and professionally, in all honesty his structured accomplishment, while profoundly astounding, to many, still pales that of Willie's.

alphadog · Aug 16, 2019

Bob Jewett said:
The BCA was busy with the preparations and aftermath of the annual BCA Expo. The office has two people. I guess you could call that a bureaucracy.

Bob you could pair this woih your Juan Valdez burro post and illustrate another point.:grin:

alstl · Aug 16, 2019

Bob Jewett said:
The BCA statement has been released:

Contact: Shane Tyree
Billiard Congress of America
303-243-5070
shane@bca-pool.com

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

John Schmidt Breaks Willie Mosconi's 65-Year-Old 14.1 High Run Record

Superior, Colo., August, 15, 2019 - The Billiard Congress of America would like to formally congratulate John Schmidt on his 14.1 exhibition high run of 626 balls, breaking Willie Mosconi's 65-year-old record of 526 balls.

On March 19, 1954 William J. Mosconi, playing in the East High Billiard Club in Springfield, Ohio, ran 526 balls in an exhibition match against Earl "Jake" Bruney. Mosconi's run lasted approximately 4.5 hours and was played on an oversized 4' x 8' Brunswick Exposition Table.

On May 27, 2019 John Schmidt, playing in the Easy Street Billiards Pool Hall in Monterey, California, ran 626 balls. Schmidt's run, recorded on video, lasted just over 4 hours and was played on a 4.5' x 9' Rebco Pocket Billiard Table on Simonis 760 cloth with 5" corner pocket openings, and 5.5" side pocket openings. Schmidt used Super Aramith Pro Belgian billiard balls, a Sardo rack, a Predator P3 Red Butt along with a Predator Revo 12.4 mm carbon composite shaft that weighed 19.5 oz and had a length of 58".

Mosconi's record took place during a 14.1 exhibition match. Having defeated his opponent, Mosconi kept shooting until he reached 526. Schmidt's record took place during an intentional attempt to break Mosconi's record. After viewing the unedited video, the Billiard Congress of America is proud to acknowledge John Schmidt's 626 run as the new 14.1 exhibition high run record.

About Billiard Congress of America
Founded in 1948, the Billiard Congress of America is a non-profit trade organization dedicated to growing a united, prosperous and highly regarded billiard industry through Billiard Congress of America leadership. The Billiard Congress of America seeks to enhance the success of its members and promote the game of billiards though educational, marketing and promotional efforts, annual industry trade shows and other programs designed to encourage billiards as a lifestyle and make pool everybody's game. For more information, visit bca-pool.com or call 303.243.5070.

Simonis 760. Probably a good way to get a better spread on the break. I wonder how fast 760 wears out compared to 860.

Balls · Aug 16, 2019

trob said:
Every post I read of yours is absolutely insane.. what sport doesn’t shoe’s or food or drink that they sell as it will make you better lol I would give you a red but I can’t . It’s been to soon since your last one.

That mouth of yours just keeps taking... Your so pathetic your embarrassing pool.

Maybe you should go back to your room and cry about it privately. Or we can keep laughing at you here.

Oh well, I guess this is the best hustle you folks can muster. Pretty Pathetic...

CreeDo · Aug 16, 2019

alstl said:
Simonis 760. Probably a good way to get a better spread on the break. I wonder how fast 760 wears out compared to 860.

I grew up on 760 at my local room, not realizing how unusual that was until later in life.
As it wears out, it seems to get thinner and thinner, and faster and faster.

Positively Ralf · Aug 16, 2019

If all he was waiting for was acknowledgement from the BCA, why not use another governing body? From what I've read on this site and many others, the BCA doesn't even care much for the industry anymore. Why not contact the ACS or other governing bodies to expedite the request?

But congrats to JS. He got that recognition even though it cost him in the end at monetizing that video for as much as he could.

AtLarge · Aug 16, 2019

xradarx said:
There was no mention of the so-called unbiased eight witnesses to this feat. Were they introduced prior to the start of the run? Is there evidence of their presence, on the same film, during the entire 4 hour 7 minute run? Were they employees of the billiard parlor. The billiard parlor didn't open for customers until the run was already three hours in progress. We still only have two peoples' hearsay evidence of this 626 ball run. They were both equally biased in pursuit of this record. One being JS and the other being the rack man/backer Just wondering, maybe it will all come out in the wash!

The August issue of Billiards Digest contains a small picture of the certification, signed by 8 people. Some of the names are hard to read, so I may not have spelled them correctly. James Forest is the room owner.

Fred Lenz
David Cota
Douglas Desmond
Felicity Schmidt
Ian Locklar
Josiah Sinkler
James Forest
Cecelia Desmond

Bob Jewett · Aug 16, 2019

AtLarge said:
The August issue of Billiards Digest contains a small picture of the certification, signed by 8 people. Some of the names are hard to read, so I may not have spelled them correctly. James Forest is the room owner.

Fred Lenz
David Lota
Douglas Desmond
Felicity Schmidt
Ian Locklar
Josiah Sinklar
James Forest
Cecelia Desmond

Although I would prefer that everyone check that issue of BD for personal reasons :wink:, here is a clearer image:

DynoDan · Aug 16, 2019

CreeDo said:
I grew up on 760 at my local room, not realizing how unusual that was until later in life.
As it wears out, it seems to get thinner and thinner, and faster and faster.

In my experience, it gets slower as dirt/chalk accumulates, and then faster as it wears. Of course, nothing effects speed as much as humidity. Check out the record attempt videos of John playing on 760 at that room near the ocean, then watch tournament videos played on new 860 during the winter, in forced hot-air heated northern rooms.

BTW: I wonder if Willie’s playing style was influenced by the cloth/equipment that was most common back in the 40s/50s? Slow-rolling shots on fast cloth is most likely a modern development (?), and can influence your stroke & pattern choices.

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