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05-25-2020, 04:09 PM

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I am going to be playing in a "senior league" next fall and they play this 8 ball game where the 1 ball and the 15 ball must be made in opposite (predetermined) side pockets. I've never heard of this variation of 8 ball so here are my questions.

Does this game have a name?
Is there somewhere on line or a book where I can learn the stratagies of this game?

I've Googled it and searched here but didn't have much luck.

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Original 8-ball rules! I call them 1948 8-ball or One and Fifteen 8-ball.

Some people will call it by the name of the State or the the name of the social club that they first ran across the rules or where the guy that introduced it to them came from. E.g, Alabama 8-ball, Moose Club 8-ball, Senior Center 8-ball...


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05-25-2020, 05:47 PM

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Thanks Mitch. That's good stuff and I did not know about rule #2. I can definitely see some situations where that could really be a problem.
Rule #2 is designed to prevent your opponent from simply moving your 1 or 15 to an un-makeable place as a delay of game strategy.
  
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05-25-2020, 05:48 PM

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1 and 2 weren't part of the official rules when I was growing up or before. .
So you were allowed to make the 1 or 15 in any pocket?
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05-25-2020, 10:09 PM

I live in a 55+community with two Brunswicks covered in Simonis and all of the regulars have been playing 1-15 forever. I hated it at first but have fun with it now. Our rules are different than those stated above. Mainly you can move your opponents 1 or 15 ball whenever you want or can as long as you hit your ball first. If you inadvertently make their 1 or 15 it stays down. If they make their 1 or 15 in the wrong pocket it spots up and they keep shooting. There is a lot of defense in the game we play. The first team, we play partners, that makes their 1 or 15 is usually the favorite to win. Generally you will become familiar with shots that you don't usually shoot in other games. It takes some patience. Always look for where the 1 & 15 are. You want to, if possible, early on move your 1 or 15 towards your pocket without leaving them a shot at their 1 or 15 or a shot at moving your 1 or 15 away from your side pocket. Obviously there are very few break and runs.
Like all 8 Ball always ask for the House rules. I swear it seemed like I had been playing for over a year and was still hearing about "New" rules. loi
  
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1 and 15 - 05-26-2020, 09:23 AM

We have played this game at senior center. Rules do vary but guarantee if you can stick with it, it will improve your banking, safety and defense play.
  
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05-26-2020, 10:12 AM

its hard to lose even a game to a bad player with that game. its just makes for a long game and less fun. but i dont play for fun with bad players, they have to bet something.
  
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05-26-2020, 12:54 PM

There’s also a special racking situation for this variation.

The 1 and 15 are placed directly behind the 8 to limit an advantage to either player.


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05-26-2020, 05:28 PM

The first time I played this game was in a small town in Nebraska at the Senior Center. They had an 8 ft pool table and a snooker table with a 15 ball set. The 1 and 15 side pockets were determined by whoever made one first. To win, the 8 ball had to be banked into the last pocket. Played many games before I ran the table, and that was on the snooker table.

The local center in Sioux Falls, which now has 5 new Diamond 9 foot tables after a tornado caused roof damage, which led to water damage. The side pockets are predetermined, and the 1 & 15 are spotted if made in the other pockets, and the shooter continues. One game, I shot the one in eight times before making it in the right pocket.

I call it a good equalizer, where a regular player sometimes wins a game and is thrilled.
  
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05-26-2020, 05:43 PM

I made an opponent shoot his balls in several times during an evening of play. We were both blistering drunk, weed was involved too,
and I kept slipping his balls back on the table, not only the 1 or 15, but any of his suit.
Some games he may have had 10 or 12 balls to shoot in playing Missouri 8-ball.

We're lifelong friends and buying beers hurt neither one of us. It was funny as hell, everybody knew what was happening except him,
and he was laughing and grinning like a monkey not knowing what he was laughing at.

He would've done the same to me and prolly has before.

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The oft-repeated error that the introduction of casino balls by the BBC Co in the 20s represents the creation of 8-ball needs to die. The BCA themselves in the brief history in every edition of their rulebook state plainly that it dates from around 1900. The game was already being played with numbered balls decades before the all red and yellow sets came into being.
  
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The oft-repeated error that the introduction of casino balls by the BBC Co in the 20s represents the creation of 8-ball needs to die. The BCA themselves in the brief history in every edition of their rulebook state plainly that it dates from around 1900. The game was already being played with numbered balls decades before the all red and yellow sets came into being.
Interesting. Do you know of any printed rule set prior to the BBCCo putting it forward as their creation?

Edit: The rules of BBC Co pool, which is basically the same as eight ball but with reds and yellows, was in the 1908 BBC Co rulebook (page 117) but was not in the 1905 rulebook which did not go to page 117.


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06-01-2020, 03:07 PM

If it help, this link has the rules I played by and they are identical to a .pdf I have somewhere from the ~1940's (it was old, the hall of fame section was filled with men and those crazy mustaches).

https://www.bestbilliards.com/justfo...ne_fifteen.cfm

Again if it helps, if you ever played rotational Cribbage all those strategies will apply and then some (even rotational 8-ball might cover more than enough). Also with hesitation, I'll link Ta La (poker pool) which incorporates the hell out of the strategy that is exclusively for the 1 and 15 through its ENTIRE game, I mean the _HELL_ out of it (Ta La really is pool+gambling, it even uses a double deck of 52 cards or 1 Pinochle deck).

http://poolshot.org/pokerpool.php

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06-01-2020, 04:45 PM

You guys are going to hate it when Corey gets to be senior center age, he will figure out that 1, 15 racking situation.
  
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06-01-2020, 06:26 PM

It is popular at senior centers everywhere.

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