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05-27-2020, 06:18 PM

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Except you HAVEN'T stopped arguing about it.
You did it today and you will do it again.
Watch it happen.

Wrong. Show me where I argued about the system. You can't, because I didn't.

I haven't argued with anyone about any aspect or element of CTE lately, and I plan on keeping it that way. Spider made some rediculous trolling post where he insisted that Gerda Hofstetter, a world champion hall of fame player, won her 1st US tournament in 10 years because of CTE. It's all hype.

I simply pointed out the fact that a few months before she went to Stan she won the European Straight Pool Championship, and even though she struggled for about 9 or 10 years on the women's tour in the US, it was due to being in the shadows of Allison Fisher and Karen Core and a couple of other great players, but Gerda was always in the top few at every event. Champion players don't always win against other champions. That taste of reality set Spider off into attack mode. But I said nothing against CTE, only against the absurdity of his Gerda post. It's as silly as a baseball bat manufacturer, like the Sam Bat company, saying their 2K bat is the reason Barry Bonds broke Hank Aaron's record. It's good publicity, good advertising hype, but Bonds could've been swinging a Marucci bat or a Louisville Slugger and he still would've broken that record. It wasn't the bat that made it possible. And with Gerda it certainly wasn't an aiming system that allowed her to finally place at the top in a US WPBA tournament.

You, my friendly little Low500 or Pete or Joe or whoever, should quit being a sheep. Spider makes a comment and you follow right along without thinking. It's kind of like that old cartoon where the big bad dog has a little sidekick following him around everywhere.....Chester and Spike. "Hey Spike, what do you wanna do now? What do you wanna do now, Spike?"
  
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05-27-2020, 06:25 PM

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Wrong. Show me where I argued about the system. You can't, because I didn't.
I haven't argued with anyone about any aspect or element of CTE lately, and I plan on keeping it that way. Spider made some rediculous trolling post where he insisted that Gerda Hofstetter, a world champion hall of fame player, won her 1st US tournament in 10 years because of CTE. It's all hype.
I simply pointed out the fact that a few months before she went to Stan she won the European Straight Pool Championship, and even though she struggled for about 9 or 10 years on the women's tour in the US, it was due to being in the shadows of Allison Fisher and Karen Core and a couple of other great players, but Gerda was always in the top few at every event. Champion players don't always win against other champions. That taste of reality set Spider off into attack mode. But I said nothing against CTE, only against the absurdity of his Gerda post. It's as silly as a baseball bat manufacturer, like the Sam Bat company, saying their 2K bat is the reason Barry Bonds broke Hank Aaron's record. It's good publicity, good advertising hype, but Bonds could've been swinging a Marucci bat or a Louisville Slugger and he still would've broken that record. It wasn't the bat that made it possible. And with Gerda it certainly wasn't an aiming system that allowed her to finally place at the top in a US WPBA tournament.
You, my friendly little Low500 or Pete or Joe or whoever, should quit being a sheep. Spider makes a comment and you follow right along without thinking. It's kind of like that old cartoon where the big bad dog has a little sidekick following him around everywhere.....Chester and Spike. "Hey Spike, what do you wanna do now? What do you wanna do now, Spike?"
You're doing it now.
I knew you would...you have no willpower.
We all know you're in Dan White's pocket...you always have been and you always will be.
JUST LEAVE IT AND US ALONE.


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05-27-2020, 06:38 PM

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You're doing it now.
I knew you would...you have no willpower.
We all know you're in Dan White's pocket...you always have been and you always will be.
JUST LEAVE IT AND US ALONE.
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05-27-2020, 10:45 PM

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It took me about three years to learn that the best way to argue against any aspect of Pro1 is to simply stop arguing about it.

Sort of like arguing with a teenage daughter or son, at some point you have to accept that the argument is going nowhere. It ends up being a shouting match, a power struggle. And most of the time the arguments are so trivial, so silly, that they're not worth the drama involved. Fact is, some things are worth arguing over, and other things just really aren't important enough to argue over.
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05-28-2020, 02:48 AM

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Wrong. Show me where I argued about the system. You can't, because I didn't.

Sure I can. It's in the paragraph right below.

I haven't argued with anyone about any aspect or element of CTE lately, and I plan on keeping it that way.

Arguing is one thing, but making veiled negative comments or outright wrong statements is another thing. It brings out the argument from the other side while you sit back innocently after saying your peace.

Spider made some rediculous trolling post where he insisted that Gerda Hofstetter, a world champion hall of fame player, won her 1st US tournament in 10 years because of CTE. It's all hype.
There you go with the trolling post claim. There was nothing trolling at all, it was a FACT. And CTE wasn't the only thing she worked on which I clearly stated in the post. It was one part of FOUR facets of the game. IT INCLUDED: We divided our three days of time between PRO ONE, stroke, banking, and kicking. ALL of it came together as a WHOLE.

YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING IT WAS CTE THAT DID IT AND I WAS THE ONE WHO SAID IT. NOPE!!! ONE MORE TIME...IT WAS PRO ONE, STROKE, BANKING, AND KICKING!

Lets see one of your non-hostile/hostile statements one more time to make sure you and everyone can see it for themselves. Lay it on us.


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05-28-2020, 04:37 AM

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i'm curious, do you have an issue with pro1 the system or is it just the online users
I don't have an issue with the system or its users. In the past I have questioned certain aspects and "explanations" of the system, and that questioning got me inducted into Spider's FAB5 group. I know there are many more than 5 who question certain things about the system. Just as I know there are more than the 4 or 5 CTE users here in the forum using and benefiting from the system. There are millions pool players in the world, and only a tiny portion come to AZ Billiards. I wish more did. Even with all the childish bickering in many threads, I think it's a great resource for pool players. The majority of players who visit the forums don't post comments - they just read.

I don't question or arguing about the system anymore. Anyone with questions should be able to figure it out by simply taking a straight in shot, which is a 15 outside, and working backward from there using a manual pivot. You can also do a 15 inside and compare that to your 30 outside, which should give the same solution. If so, your're doing it right. These two methods will shed a lot of light on the system for anyone with questions. If not, buy Stan's book when it comes out.

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05-28-2020, 04:56 AM

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There you go with the trolling post claim. There was nothing trolling at all, it was a FACT. And CTE wasn't the only thing she worked on which I clearly stated in the post. It was one part of FOUR facets of the game. IT INCLUDED: We divided our three days of time between PRO ONE, stroke, banking, and kicking. ALL of it came together as a WHOLE.

YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING IT WAS CTE THAT DID IT AND I WAS THE ONE WHO SAID IT. NOPE!!! ONE MORE TIME...IT WAS PRO ONE, STROKE, BANKING, AND KICKING!

Lets see one of your non-hostile/hostile statements one more time to make sure you and everyone can see it for themselves. Lay it on us.

I believe Stan's work with her on any stroke related issues probably provided more benefit than 3 days of Pro1 training and a few diagrams and phone calls. Nobody drops a lifetime of aiming a certain way, especially right after winning a 14.1 championship, a game that surely involves aiming.

Like I've said before, the system does have a built in psr, a way of approaching each shot consistently. But what a player does from then on is really a matter of experience and development. You can believe what you want, and I'm fine with that. It doesn't make me mad or send me over the edge. I really don't care because it doesn't affect me. But I don't believe a lifelong champion player who uses ghostball or contact points would scrap that aiming technique so quickly, especially after winning a major tournament. And you can't stand that I believe that way. It eats you up. My belief really shouldn't be that important to you, not to the point where you go off into attack mode.

Seriously, this is a great book... https://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Int.../dp/0974320625

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05-28-2020, 06:23 AM

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I believe Stan's work with her on any stroke related issues probably provided more benefit than 3 days of Pro1 training and a few diagrams and phone calls. Nobody drops a lifetime of aiming a certain way, especially right after winning a 14.1 championship, a game that surely involves aiming.

Like I've said before, the system does have a built in psr, a way of approaching each shot consistently. But what a player does from then on is really a matter of experience and development. You can believe what you want, and I'm fine with that. It doesn't make me mad or send me over the edge. I really don't care because it doesn't affect me. But I don't believe a lifelong champion player who uses ghostball or contact points would scrap that aiming technique so quickly, especially after winning a major tournament. And you can't stand that I believe that way. It eats you up. My belief really shouldn't be that important to you, not to the point where you go off into attack mode.

Seriously, this is a great book... https://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Int.../dp/0974320625

I have taken lessons from three world champions.

But it would be insane for any of those guys to claim that I was now a devotee of their approach to the game based upon my time with them. Did I learn things from each of them? Yes, of course. Stuff I still use to this day.

But like every other player on Earth, I pick and choose what to incorporate into my game based upon my years of personal experience: what I've learned from practice, playing matches and tournaments, observing other players, and reading numerous books.

So Player A or B or C spends time with Stan. Now, suddenly, magically, CTE is responsible for their success. They are "honored" on rosters that list them as apostles of an aiming system by CTE acolytes looking to validate the system.

Sorry, but that's not the way it works in real life.

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I have taken lessons from three world champions.

But it would be insane for any of those guys to claim that I was now a devotee of their approach to the game based upon my time with them. Did I learn things from each of them? Yes, of course. Stuff I still use to this day.

But like every other player on Earth, I pick and choose what to incorporate into my game based upon my years of personal experience: what I've learned from practice, playing matches and tournaments, observing other players, and reading numerous books.

So Player A or B or C spends time with Stan. Now, suddenly, magically, CTE is responsible for their success. They are "honored" on rosters that list them as apostles of an aiming system by CTE acolytes looking to validate the system.

Sorry, but that's not the way it works in real life.

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Exactly my point. And as I've said, Gerda Hofstetter probably did get some excellent help from Stan that contributed to her winning that long-awaited WPBA 9ball tournament back then. But I don't believe she changed her actual aiming method one bit.
  
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Exactly my point. And as I've said, Gerda Hofstetter probably did get some excellent help from Stan that contributed to her winning that long-awaited WPBA 9ball tournament back then. But I don't believe she changed her actual aiming method one bit.
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its very posible she used a part of pro1 to help tweak her own aiming method... she added to her own personal system/method
That is quite possible, though it would more than likely be a tweak to her shot routine, not to her actual aiming method. Either way, it's not what Spider was insinuating when he posted this thread.

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It doesn't much matter what anyone believes or assumes. All that matters is what Gerda attributes her 2010 WPBA win to, which she explains here....https://youtu.be/2EqQ9spSC0g?t=26m34s

I've watched all these Allison Fisher videos/streams. They are excellent, entertaining, and full of little lessons and insights from champion players.

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That is quite possible, though it would more than likely be a tweak to her shot routine, not to her actual aiming method. Either way, it's not what Spider was insinuating when he posted this thread.
The only insinuating is YOU insinuating that I was insinuating. Where did I specifically say she learned all of CTE in 3 days, changed her aiming, and went on to win her first tournament in 10 years?

Please copy and paste that post!

What I posted is what Stan said they WORKED on over three days. CTE Pro1;
BANKS; STROKE; and KICKING.

YOU TOOK IT FROM THERE SPINNING AND TWISTING IT TO YOUR PERCEIVED FINAL DESIRED OUTCOME!

I wasn't there during the lessons. All I know is what I posted based on how it came about between Stan and Gerda.


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That is quite possible, though it would more than likely be a tweak to her shot routine, not to her actual aiming method. Either way, it's not what Spider was insinuating when he posted this thread.

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It doesn't much matter what anyone believes or assumes. All that matters is what Gerda attributes her 2010 WPBA win to, which she explains here....https://youtu.be/2EqQ9spSC0g?t=26m34s

I've watched all these Allison Fisher videos/streams. They are excellent, entertaining, and full of little lessons and insights from champion players.
it looks like dave cleared up the issues you had with stan,greta and dave
  
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The only insinuating is YOU insinuating that I was insinuating. Where did I specifically say she learned all of CTE in 3 days, changed her aiming, and went on to win her first tournament in 10 years?

Please copy and past that post!

What I posted is what Stan said they WORKED on over three days. CTE Pro1;
BANKS; STROKE; and KICKING.

YOU TOOK IT FROM THERE SPINNING AND TWISTING IT TO YOUR PERCEIVED FINAL DESIRED OUTCOME!

I wasn't there during the lessons. All I know is what I posted based on how it came about between Stan and Gerda.

Here, in the thread title: CTE Does NOT Work - It Did For One Pro


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... it's not a knock to CTE to state the reality of how great of a player she's been since the mid 1990's. I honestly don't believe she reformated her entire aiming method between winning a championship in 2009 and then winning again in March 2010.
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Think what you want but she did. HERE COMES THE KNOCKING! She won the 14.1 title in 2009. A completely different thought process, knowledge, and skill level from rotation games. It's all up close and basically using 1/2 the table.

These are obvious insinuations for anyone with basic reading comprehension skills.

And I'm sure you didn't mean to suggest that 14.1 and 9ball involve two different aiming methods, so I'll let that part of the comment slide, chalk it off as grasping for something of substance. Fact is, she got instruction from Stan, quite possibly some excellent tips to help her win, but she aimed those balls her way.
  
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it looks like dave cleared up the issues you had with stan,greta and dave
Oh no...not for him or "them". The waters are always muddied.


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