how are ya'll doing in league ?

DAVE_M

AzB Silver Member
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Inning numbers are the biggest factor in the handicap calculations.

I tend to disagree with the APA equalizer system. Other leagues, I would agree with you.

I've won 19-1 in 6 innings (that's over 7 racks in 6 innings) and I'm still a SL5 in APA 9-ball.
Then again, just about every APA player out here is under handicapped.
 

JBB2388

Banger Extraordinaire
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I tend to disagree with the APA equalizer system. Other leagues, I would agree with you.

I've won 19-1 in 6 innings (that's over 7 racks in 6 innings) and I'm still a SL5 in APA 9-ball.
Then again, just about every APA player out here is under handicapped.

The formulas supposedly only use your best 10 out of the last 20 matches is my understanding. So logically, one spectacular week cannot make a big difference. This is only the objective criteria. Don't forget the LO can subjectively raise or lower a player's rating as they see fit. Seeing you play, its hard to believe you still remain a SL5. I wouldn't want to spot you a rack. :eek:
 

RFranklin

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I tend to disagree with the APA equalizer system. Other leagues, I would agree with you.

I've won 19-1 in 6 innings (that's over 7 racks in 6 innings) and I'm still a SL5 in APA 9-ball.
Then again, just about every APA player out here is under handicapped.

I am not questioning how strong you shoot, a 19-1 is great but you only need 38 balls as a 5 so how does that equate to 7 racks? Even if you beat a 9 badly, that would be about 6 racks unless you had dead balls ending each inning? Also, if you smashed a 9 like that, the LO would probably make a subjective change to your SL.
 

DAVE_M

AzB Silver Member
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The formulas supposedly only use your best 10 out of the last 20 matches is my understanding. So logically, one spectacular week cannot make a big difference. This is only the objective criteria. Don't forget the LO can subjectively raise or lower a player's rating as they see fit. Seeing you play, its hard to believe you still remain a SL5. I wouldn't want to spot you a rack. :eek:

Nevermind spotting me a rack, how do you think I feel spotting the SL4's a rack that can put packs together? :eek:

I am not questioning how strong you shoot, a 19-1 is great but you only need 38 balls as a 5 so how does that equate to 7 racks? Even if you beat a 9 badly, that would be about 6 racks unless you had dead balls ending each inning? Also, if you smashed a 9 like that, the LO would probably make a subjective change to your SL.

It doesn't. I was calculating how many racks we played last night 38-27 (which was 8 racks and I luckily broke every rack :D). 38-2 is only 5 racks :embarrassed2: Regardless, 5 racks in 6 innings is not bad at all. I've been an SL5 since last session when I started playing APA 9-ball.

Given that there are a ton of under handicapped players in our division, I've come to the conclusion that our LO (who manages around 10 divisions, if not more) doesn't keep track of players very well.
 

Celophanewrap

Call me Grace
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I am not questioning how strong you shoot, a 19-1 is great but you only need 38 balls as a 5 so how does that equate to 7 racks? Even if you beat a 9 badly, that would be about 6 racks unless you had dead balls ending each inning? Also, if you smashed a 9 like that, the LO would probably make a subjective change to your SL.

Lots of dead balls.
I keep reading where a lot of you guys talk about the LO has the ability to change an S/L and I know they can. Does that happen where you all are from? I have met quite a few of the LO's in the APA (past and present) and I've never met one that really wants to do that. It has to open the door to all sorts of crap throwing and accusations. On our team I know that a couple of us always managed to get raised right before our LTC, but in looking at it honestly I'd have to say that it was earned and not the arbitrary changing of a handicap to suite someone else's complaints or ego
 
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DAVE_M

AzB Silver Member
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Lots of dead balls

While that wasn't the case for the match I was mentioning, it has happened before. My teammate played in a match, last session, that totaled 34 dead balls :yikes:

Making 3-4 on the break + the cue ball adds up lol
 

RFranklin

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Underranked

DAVEM - I still think you have some fuzzy math going on down there but you obviously play strong. Remind me to politley bow out in nationals when we play anyone from the big easy. I dont want to have to spot anyone with your speed 37 balls. :D
 

DAVE_M

AzB Silver Member
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DAVEM - I still think you have some fuzzy math going on down there but you obviously play strong. Remind me to politley bow out in nationals when we play anyone from the big easy. I dont want to have to spot anyone with your speed 37 balls. :D

LOL

I can't recall anyone from our division higher than a SL7 and I can name more than a handful of SL5's and SL6's that can spot them the breaks. The only players I know of with proper handicaps are in the local BCA league.
 

JBB2388

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Nevermind spotting me a rack, how do you think I feel spotting the SL4's a rack that can put packs together? :eek:

Yeah that's absurd. There are no SL4's in this area that can string more than 5 balls together with any consistency. Clearly geography plays a part in the equation. Not sure how I feel about that.
 

DAVE_M

AzB Silver Member
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Yeah that's absurd. There are no SL4's in this area that can string more than 5 balls together with any consistency. Clearly geography plays a part in the equation. Not sure how I feel about that.

It's mostly that way throughout Louisiana, from what I've experienced. Even with the other League Operators. I've heard of plenty Louisiana teams going to nationals and having players disqualified for sandbagging. Half the time it's because the LO isn't handicapping everyone correctly.
 

lorider

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It's mostly that way throughout Louisiana, from what I've experienced. Even with the other League Operators. I've heard of plenty Louisiana teams going to nationals and having players disqualified for sandbagging. Half the time it's because the LO isn't handicapping everyone correctly.

imo lo's should not be handicapping players manually unless obvious sandbagging is occurirng. .

proper scorekeeping should ensure proper handicaps..

let me give you an example of a recent match i had.

i am a 5 and had a match against one of our other strong 5's.

i won 4-3 in 30 innings. i played 20 safes and he played 3. if safes were not marked and just looking at the innings you would think we were just missing a lot of shots during our match.in other words playing like a couple of 3's.:D

once the safties are totaled up you can see there were a total of 7 offensive innings in 7 racks.a 30 inning match without 27 total safes between opponents marked can greatly throw off your handicap level if done with any amount of frequency.

that is why i am always making sure any one keeping score on my teams is marking all safes.

on a side note.... a new players handicap can fluctuate greatly until he has a few games establishing his true playing ability.

take my g/f's 18 year old son.

starts as a 4. wins 3-0 against a weak 3. goes up to a 5.

ain't no way in hell he is a true 5. he is one of those that hits every thing at warp speed lol.

last week he played a 6....thinking he had a chance lol. he lost 5-0. his ego got a reality check lol. now he is back to a 4 this week.

in my honest opinion he is only a 3 and should get to a 3 in a few more weeks.

other the other end of the spectrum ..his friend who is also 18 joined out team at the same time. after 2 matches he has dropped to a 2 in 8 ball and a 1 in 9 ball already. yea he plays that bad lol.
 

Spimp13

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Reminds me of a match I had with a gal who was a 4 about a month ago. It was a 5-2 race. I won the first four games and then she won the fifth in 1 inning lol...I won the rubber but still damn...tough to fade that!
 

lorider

AzB Silver Member
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Reminds me of a match I had with a gal who was a 4 about a month ago. It was a 5-2 race. I won the first four games and then she won the fifth in 1 inning lol...I won the rubber but still damn...tough to fade that!

i played a 3 once in playoffs that broke and ran 7 balls the 1st rack.

i won the match 4-0 but i was sweating bullets the entire time.

a strong 3 or 4 is tough to fade sometimes lol.
 

DAVE_M

AzB Silver Member
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i played a 3 once in playoffs that broke and ran 7 balls the 1st rack.

i won the match 4-0 but i was sweating bullets the entire time.

a strong 3 or 4 is tough to fade sometimes lol.

That's how it was Wednesday night. I knew the guy I was playing was no SL4, but I figured he might have just started in the APA. I was informed he had been in the APA the last few years and is well established as a SL4... I called BS. The guy plays like a C+/B- player. Granted, I could beat him into the ground in a Texas Express race to 10, but he should definitely not be a SL4 when he's kicking out of my jam up safes and making the ball. :angry:
 

lorider

AzB Silver Member
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That's how it was Wednesday night. I knew the guy I was playing was no SL4, but I figured he might have just started in the APA. I was informed he had been in the APA the last few years and is well established as a SL4... I called BS. The guy plays like a C+/B- player. Granted, I could beat him into the ground in a Texas Express race to 10, but he should definitely not be a SL4 when he's kicking out of my jam up safes and making the ball. :angry:

let me tell you about a guy who used to be a 4 until i outed him.

i have known him since we used to be team mates 8 or 9 years ago in a bcapl league. he has been playing apa a lot longer than i have and i knew he was better than a 4.

one night he is playing my 8. he is down 40 something to 10. he is standing by me while my team mate is shooting and i tell him....you sre not only losing but you are getting embarrased by my team mate.

when my team mate missed a shot this 4 promptly walks to the table and pockets 21 straight points in zero innings to win the match.

need less to say he was not a 4 the next week.:D i made a thread about this incident a while back.
 

lorider

AzB Silver Member
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played in my double jeapordy tonight.

we supposed to start at 7;00. 7;15 and no one there but my g/f and i. she said she was pissed. told her that is why i turned the team over to her lol.

we go ahead and start with just the 2 of us playing and keeping score ourselves.

i play 8 ball and per my normal routine i start out sucking and lose 5-1 against a 6.

oh yea ...we played on the 9 foot tables tonight. 1st time in about 8 weeks and it showed.by all the rattled pockets i had lol.

i play 9 ball against an 8. i finally get my act together and i win 12-8. he played 14 safes on me and never got bih. after wards he complimented me on my kicking game.

we did have 2 more players show up so we was able to have a replay and not forfeit any matches.

as per apa rules the opposing team picks who replays.

they chose me to replay 9 ball. ?::eek: the best player on my team is chosen to replay ?:confused: i am a 5 who just beat their best player ...an 8 and they want me to play again ? ok .:grin-square: we only had 2-3's and a 1 they could have chose besides me.

they threw up their 6 against me...same player i lost 8 ball too ... and i won that match 16-4. i wonder if they trying to keep their better players from going up before cities next month ?
 

Jeff Rosen

AzB Silver Member
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On Sundays I normally am in two leagues, APA 8&9 Ball in the afternoon and a straight pool league in the evening. The APA was cancelled for Memorial Day Weekend but straight pool was still on. As I'm addicted to pool, LOL, I took my son over to Steinway to watch some of the Ginky Memorial until it was time to leave for Raxx in West Hempstead for straight pool. It was really great, rubbing elbows with all the greats that I only see on Live stream & YouTube. We had lunch there.
Then for my straight pool league. I'm not the greatest, I'm a three going on four in APA and MegaBucks and usually win 3 quarters of my matches. But the straight pool league has some really good players and I usually get a big spot. When I got there last night I found out the handicap was 134 to 29. When I get a spot that big I feel the opponent is so good I don't have a chance even though I'm getting so many points. Well, when he was up to 90 I was lingering on 12. Two scratches brought me down to 10. I was ready to concede. All of the sudden I woke up and started running balls. I finally got the 29 when he had 123 and won!!! Great day overall. While I usually spend Memorial Day at the track (Belmont) I had such a good time yesterday I might just go back to Steinway!!
 

7forlife

AzB Silver Member
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Cloud 9

Fantastic! thanks for asking.

So it started out with me being up for 24 hours plus and a text "hey let me know did you want to play today or not i'm arranging matches if you do". Now this is an in house league and not that big of a deal, but since i don't get to play often I wan't turning it down.

Without getting any rest I show up with hopes that I wasn't playing the strongest player in the league since I feel like I may of lucked out when we played the last time and beat him, but that didn't matter. He's the only person that spots me and despite the system is great this time it feels like i'm robbing.

The race is set 150-92, when it starts it's a disaster for both of us, should of been a blow out if not for both of us not being on our game, but we eventually warm up and now it's on. End result (I let up in the end so that he didn't walk away in the slump and took some real hairball shots knowing that he will never win unless i dump) I win 96-94 "ran 4 extra balls before noticing the match was over"

Do you think i'll get to keep my handicap, lol
 

mcsock

AzB Silver Member
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I dropped my apa 8b league and joined an inhouse straight pool league. 1st match was UGLY. My opponent, friend of mine, ran 58, I got 1 ( break ball) missed the break my friend ran 38 more so he got 96 balls to my 1. Not a great start to the new league.
 

DAVE_M

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I dropped my apa 8b league and joined an inhouse straight pool league. 1st match was UGLY. My opponent, friend of mine, ran 58, I got 1 ( break ball) missed the break my friend ran 38 more so he got 96 balls to my 1. Not a great start to the new league.

That's brutal, but that's 14.1.

Not much you can do when your only shot is to break that pack open.
 
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