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Time to rethink jump cues again? - 07-25-2019, 03:02 PM

The cries to ban jump cues have slowly faded away over the past few years, but after watching a few recent events I feel like it might be time to start the conversation again. As a spectator, I really feel like it cheapens the game and would much rather see a beautiful safety shot have to be met with an equally beautiful escape. Yeah sure, jumping is a skill, but it takes nowhere near the amount of knowledge or precision that a return kick safe/make requires. If people had to kick out of safeties, I feel like of greater benefit to the more skilled player, which is what people in general want to see in the game anyway. It's why we play longer races, it's why we call shots in 10-ball, it's why we're spotting early money balls, etc. so why not just do away with jump cues. It just feels like there's so much more integrity in a nice kick shot, and when I see a player jump out of a hard to execute safety, I feel a little cheated as a fan.


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07-25-2019, 03:14 PM

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The cries to ban jump cues have slowly faded away over the past few years, but after watching a few recent events I feel like it might be time to start the conversation again. As a spectator, I really feel like it cheapens the game and would much rather see a beautiful safety shot have to be met with an equally beautiful escape. Yeah sure, jumping is a skill, but it takes nowhere near the amount of knowledge or precision that a return kick safe/make requires. If people had to kick out of safeties, I feel like of greater benefit to the more skilled player, which is what people in general want to see in the game anyway. It's why we play longer races, it's why we call shots in 10-ball, it's why we're spotting early money balls, etc. so why not just do away with jump cues. It just feels like there's so much more integrity in a nice kick shot, and when I see a player jump out of a hard to execute safety, I feel a little cheated as a fan.
Maybe its a l.a. thing but I agree with you. I don't complain about Jump-Cues, because then I would have to think about jump-cues. I prefer to pretend they don't exist.
  
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07-25-2019, 03:23 PM

So much lack of integrity going around.

I feel so dirty.


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07-25-2019, 03:39 PM

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So much lack of integrity going around.

I feel so dirty.
The ubiquity of jump cues doesn't make them any less silly.
  
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07-25-2019, 03:55 PM

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The ubiquity of jump cues doesn't make them any less silly.
Now there is a word you don't see being tossed about very often.


<<<<< never used a jump cue, but does not claim to possess more integrity than those that choose to.


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07-25-2019, 04:01 PM

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Now there is a word you don't see being tossed about very often.


<<<<< never used a jump cue, but does not claim to possess more integrity than those that choose to.
ok right, agreed

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07-25-2019, 05:06 PM

I've never purchased a jump cue specifically, but I did get a 4-piece Pure-X break/jump cue in order to cover any future needs for both...was also gifted an Air Hog with some other Lucasi cue purchase.

Jumping is not something I allow nor practice on my home table (ever since the new rubber rails and Simonis 860 HRcloth was installed earlier this year); hell, for performing regular rack breaks, I make sure the cue ball is sitting on a little square of extra Simonis 860HR cloth that was left over from the cover...otherwise I'm sure I would have damaged the newer felt by putting divots, burn marks, etc. in multiple areas.

Bottom line is that I believe jump cues go against the very principle of billiard games in the first place.
  
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07-25-2019, 05:12 PM

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Now there is a word you don't see being tossed about very often.


<<<<< never used a jump cue, but does not claim to possess more integrity than those that choose to.
That's a new word to me and I'm 65 years old. I'm gonna write it in my notes and learn how to spell it, pronounce it, and use it in a sentence. I'm on a mission! ~UBIQUITY~
  
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I hope you get to use it everywhere.
  
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07-25-2019, 05:31 PM

I think they should be like aluminum bats. Amateurs can use them but the pros cannot. jmho


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07-25-2019, 05:45 PM

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I hope you get to use it everywhere.
The opportunities to use the word are not very ubiquitous.

If it does come up in general conversation though, I bet he would feel quite chirky.


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07-25-2019, 05:48 PM

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The cries to ban jump cues have slowly faded away over the past few years, but after watching a few recent events I feel like it might be time to start the conversation again. As a spectator, I really feel like it cheapens the game and would much rather see a beautiful safety shot have to be met with an equally beautiful escape. Yeah sure, jumping is a skill, but it takes nowhere near the amount of knowledge or precision that a return kick safe/make requires. If people had to kick out of safeties, I feel like of greater benefit to the more skilled player, which is what people in general want to see in the game anyway. It's why we play longer races, it's why we call shots in 10-ball, it's why we're spotting early money balls, etc. so why not just do away with jump cues. It just feels like there's so much more integrity in a nice kick shot, and when I see a player jump out of a hard to execute safety, I feel a little cheated as a fan.
How 'bout doing away with cue extensions so we can see some beautiful bridge play?

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07-25-2019, 06:14 PM

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How 'bout doing away with cue extensions so we can some beautiful bridge play?
Whoa take it easy there Danny D!

I donít really know how I feel about banning jump cues. It does seem like pool should be strictly on the vertical plane for some reason, but I personally like jumping balls. I guess I feel like it should be all or nothing. Either no intentional jumping period, or jump with whatever you like. But then what about skipping over 1/16th of the ball? Who knows.

But I feel very strongly that you should be able to play with whatever length cue you want, as far as extensions/long cues go. Wtf wants to use some dead, inanimate object to rest your cue on? We could ban bridges I guess
  
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07-25-2019, 06:50 PM

How about banning break cues while your at it as well. So the one playing cue is all you are allowed to play with for both the break the play , the jump, and Masse shots.


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07-25-2019, 06:56 PM

I hate jump cues, but I still see that there is a compromise available.

The compromise would be to allow the use of a jump cue on the first shot of an inning but not subsequently. That means that if you come to the table snookered, you can jump, but if you hook yourself you may not use a jump cue.

This would eliminate what I see as the biggest problem presented by the jump cue, which is reducing the penalty for position poorly played.
  
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