Thank you RKC. I will take that advice. I spent a lot of time over the past months reading these threads, and thru them, have become acquainted with the info there in. For instance, i did find the info here, and then purchased the simonis 860 install dvd's which was a small price to pay for a very usable system, and a well presented instructional tutorial. thanks for that, and hope you get something on your end for that trouble. i'm a 66 year old guy who still does cabinetry and wood working for a living. I was requested to modify a 5x10 carom table into a pool table. Every inch above the frame required modification, and there was no room for error, and no existing templates to base the rail proportions against just to cut the pockets, which as it turns out, on the Cinncinati National pool table, there is a double compound angle that has to be precision cut into the rails. Very different from a Gold Crown profile (which is far better thought out for duplication, imo) Anyway, i got very familiar with your work in particular through this forum. I am fond of people who understand and can execute highly detailed work, something I have always aspired to, and have gotten lucky at more often than not. So my level of hack-dom has diminished over the years. That said, I used your methods for most of the rail and pocket tightening, as well as the fabric application for rails and slate. as well as leveling. I have witnessed terrible work on these tables, before I was asked to take it on. I have reached a conclusion about table mechanics. That being, there aren't many. My situation is unique, in that, I will not be handling anything but this one room, by choice. As i feel necessary, when instructing a person how I do what I do, I insist on crediting my influences, as a rule, so in regards to pool tables, I Cite your methods as the bar to attain, and point them to your products, and tutorials. You've been very helpful. Thank you, Jerry (11am)