Great article about reasons for the continuing decline of road players

arnaldo

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A friend once emailed me this colorful and informative NY Times article (below) about the decline of road players. It’s from 2007 and quite a good read. The adverse effect of the Internet was a very valid and perceptive inclusion among the opinions. And surely the advent of today's smartphones with their instant messaging and video recording capability will always now be a factor to be considered by road players.

Arnaldo
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“JUMP THE SHARK”

By L. Jon Wertheim ~ NY Times 2007

While there are, admittedly, figures more deserving of sympathy than unemployed pool players, the demise of the hustler is an occasion to be mourned. As recently as 10 years ago, it was possible for a pool player to earn a living hustling, provided he was armed with the requisite chops and disposition.

Plenty of “roadmen” made plenty of money with scores at Chelsea Billiards in Manhattan or Mikey’s 24/7 in Oklahoma City or the Sports Palace in Columbia, S.C. Odds were good that there was at least one unsuspecting local in the joint with an inflated impression of his talent for pocketing balls, and thus a willingness to throw down “big timber” against the out-of-towner.

Today, pool hustlers have joined American heavyweight boxing champs, complete-game pitchers, hockey goons and drug-free cyclists as relics in sports. Endearing bit players in the cast of American culture, hustlers have been written out of future episodes. “It used to be that you had to turn down action; then you had to look hard for action; and now there’s no action,” Bucky Bell, a Cincinnati-based pool wizard, lamented to me. “A lot of guys who play real good pool are having to look for real jobs.”

The pool hustler wasn’t murdered by any single suspect, but the last man holding the knife was Kevin Trudeau, the bestselling author of the “Natural Cures” series who once served a prison term for felony larceny. Mr. Trudeau out-hustled the hustlers — and killed off a national archetype in the process.

But even before Mr. Trudeau, hustling was on its deathbed. The Internet didn’t help. Time was, a player would score big in, say, Cheyenne, Wyo., and by the time word got out over the pool transom, the hustler was already in Lexington, Ky., or Laredo, Tex. But then came the popular online forum AZBilliards.com. Suddenly a player would score big and his exploits would be publicized by sunrise.

The poker boom hurt too, siphoning the species who once hustled pool — young, competitive, predominantly white men with an incurable gambling jones — with guaranteed round-the-clock action and a reduced threat of getting jacked in the parking lot. Even $3-a-gallon gas prices exacted a price: why drive to Olathe, Kan., for a chance at winning $500 when it might cost $250 just to get there?

Then came the International Pool Tour, Mr. Trudeau’s final squirt of embalming fluid. When he founded the professional pool tour in 2005, Mr. Trudeau vowed to turn eight-ball into a viable, big-league sport. Winners would take home $500,000 prizes; first-round losers were guaranteed $5,000.

For pool players, accustomed to driving miles out of their way just to avoid paying bridge tolls, this was akin to raising the minimum wage by a factor of 10. Hustlers who had been traveling incognito for years came out of the woodwork to try to qualify for the tour. Joining meant that their cover would be blown, but the money was too good to pass up.

The first three events were smashing successes. But in keeping with the circadian rhythms of pool, the boom times didn’t last. Last year, after a tournament in Reno, Nev., players were informed of an inconvenient detail: the tour couldn’t pay the prize money. Mr. Trudeau, once accessible and upbeat, was nowhere to be found.

The tour eventually notified players that the debts would be paid in small, periodic installments. But to date the players have yet to be paid all of the money they are owed. There hasn’t been another International Pool Tour event since.

Some players were so demoralized by Mr. Trudeau’s hustle that they quit the sport entirely. And the rest had become known quantities to avid amateur players. Unmasked by television and the Internet, these once-stealthy hustlers could no longer lure anyone into believing they were just passing through town, innocently looking to relax at the local poolroom.
The death of hustling marks the end of a uniquely American pursuit.

What’s a more vivid extension of the frontier mentality than a man, carrying only a wooden stick, slinking into town and making a buck? What’s a better example of self-sufficiency than caroming around the country and using superior skill, craft and wit to fleece the other guy? Who embodies Melville’s “Confidence Man” better than the suave and mysterious pool hustler?

Pool hustlers are outlaws, but they are — or were — the kind of outlaws we root for, “honorable swindlers” who usually dripped with charisma and eccentricity. “You don’t make much money but you do get paid in stories,” Kid Delicious, the New Jersey hustler, told me. “And you don’t got to worry about the taxman getting his hand on them.”

And hustling doesn’t merely involve the players at the table. There was a rogue’s gallery of “stakehorses” (financial backers), “sweators on the rail” (side bettors) and “nits” (kibitzers). As the gambling spigot has been turned off, the local poolroom — once a civic institution — has almost vanished. The extinction of the pool hustler has bleached some color from the cultural landscape and dotted small-town America with yet another economic casualty.

Look hard and there’s still action out there. Earlier this year, two players won a high-stakes six-player “ring game” in Mobile, Ala. In September in Sioux Falls, S.D., a hearing-impaired player, Shane Van Boening, beat Corey Deuel, a veteran shark from Ohio, in a $10,000 winner-take-all race to 100 games. The annual Derby City Classic in Louisville, Ky., still features late-night games with stakes that can exceed six figures.

“But that’s just gambling,” Bucky Bell says wistfully. “Real hustling — driving to a pool room in another state, walking in, setting the trap, busting the local guy and then heading to a new town — is different. That’s what ain’t there any more.”
 

logical

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They could have gone to work at Blockbuster Video, they were just getting going about the time being a road player stopped being an actual thing.

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DecentShot

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They could have gone to work at Blockbuster Video, they were just getting going about the time being a road player stopped being an actual thing.

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I don't blame the guy, he isn't a pool player, but the article conflates ideas. Road player, hustler, gambling. Also we need to distinguish between bars and pool halls. At the time I know Tredeaux was the man on the radar, but he is barely a blip as it relates to the death of the road player.
 

pt109

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The road was history in the 90s...
...expenses were up, action was down...
...the players out there just didn’t realize it till they went broke
 

JazzyJeff87

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I don't blame the guy, he isn't a pool player, but the article conflates ideas. Road player, hustler, gambling. Also we need to distinguish between bars and pool halls. At the time I know Tredeaux was the man on the radar, but he is barely a blip as it relates to the death of the road player.

I think Kid Deciduous...hehe ..was his main or only window into the pool world so...
 

garczar

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The road was history in the 90s...
...expenses were up, action was down...
...the players out there just didn’t realize it till they went broke
The explosion of casinos and the growth of poker were major blows also. In my area(Ok., Ks, Mo.) the pool gambling faded quik when the casinos started opening. Not just the players but stakehorses who were tired of being treated like suckers also migrated to the casinos.
 

iusedtoberich

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I played in Philly from about 1996 to 2009. The road man was dead by the late 90's. In all those years, I saw Danny Bassavich come in once, he split races to 9 or 11 with our room owner on a tight GC1. That was maybe around 1999 or so.

Around 2005 I saw another road player come in, I forgot his name. He was living in his car. He played a local one set and that was all the action he could get.

Those were probably the only two I vividly remember, maybe there were a couple of others scattered about I forgot about.

And when there was a Joss event (which was Philly's biggest tournament during my time), the local champs would match up with the traveling champs from NY and more North. But they weren't really road players, just regulars on the Joss tour traveling for a stop.
 

MattPoland

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Lets not forget the impact of direct deposit paychecks and credit cards.


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pt109

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Lets not forget the impact of direct deposit paychecks and credit cards.


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ATMs could’ve helped the action if it wasn’t dying for other reasons.
..casinos love debit and credit cards.
 

MattPoland

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ATMs could’ve helped the action if it wasn’t dying for other reasons.

..casinos love debit and credit cards.


I stopped carrying cash for about 15 years. I only recently started carrying $100 or so to have barrels on me for gambling cheap sets. Not having cash on hand really changes behaviors.


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ceebee

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Yeah, you could see it happening... Johnnie was at the Casino every day, instead of leisurely pocketing balls & waiting on some action, at the Pool Room. Then Pete left, Aaron went too, then Linny & Shrink. You could actually go into a Pool Room & no one would try to hustle you into a Game of Pool.

But, their exodus to the casino was costly & quite possibly a terrible bad mistake. Quick Money is NOT what it sounds like. It just means that someone is winning Quick Money, not everybody.

It wasn't long until Winning at the Casino was yesterday or last week or not for a while. It was History. So, they pawned their Pool Cues, then their car's title was in the pot. It wasn't long before some lost their homes & some lost their wives.

It was sad. This scenario played itself out across the land. We lost a lot of Good Players & a lot of Good Players lost Everything. And the Pool Halls closed up too...
 
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Low500

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Why the death of the road agents?

The demise of out and out lock artist swindlers was a blessing, in my opinion.
Walking into a room and proclaiming "I am a helluva player...bring 'em on" is one thing. Laying down the lemonade and trying to work your way slowly through the small fry and shortstops to finally get to the big dog is another thing entirely...and totally disgusting.
I never liked Don Willis, but one thing's for sure. To my knowledge he never tried to ambush anybody. He always told 'em right up front before they put up the stake...."You might not like this game".
And another thing to be considered.........People, in general, might have just got tired of being swindled and making bad bets in pool rooms.
So...they opted for getting swindled and making bad bets in casinos. (but at least they weren't being hassled by some asshole pest with bad breath getting in their face trying the "I will give you the 8, man. come on and bet something")
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sjm

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Years ago there were far fewer evening hangouts than today, fewer forms of indoor entertainment for men in the non-working hours. Perhaps back in the day, the local bar, the local pool hall and the local bowling alley combined to get a solid percentage of them as customers. Today, there are far more entertainment options, and many of them don't even require leaving one's home. Even if pool is your thing, you can watch it played at the highest level on the internet on a pretty regular basis.

I was a frequent railbird and very occasional gambler at the Golden Q poolroom in Queens, NY, especially from 1976-86, and you could count on seeing top players gambling there practically every night of the week in a setup very reminiscent of that which was seen in "The Hustler." That's one of the reasons I liked to hang out there, but that scene gradually disappeared. The rail itself has largely vanished in countess poolrooms.

No doubt, the argument that the information age has made it very difficult for hustlers to stay under the radar is a valid one. Today, we are all news reporters, whether it's via Facebook/Twitter, our cell phones and the pictures we take and share while using them, even internet pool sites like this one. If an unknown player beats a top pro in Arkansas, they'll know about it in Oregon within a couple of hours. That's how it happens in the information age.

… finally, Trudeau's IPT had nothing to do with the decline of the hustler, even if it caused a few "below the radar" players to become known.
 

ShootingArts

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a lot of truth here

Yeah, you could see it happening... Johnnie was at the Casino every day, instead of leisurely pocketing balls & waiting on some action, at the Pool Room. Then Pete left, Aaron went too, then Linny & Shrink. You could actually go into a Pool Room & no one would try to hustle you into a Game of Pool.

But, their exodus to the casino was costly & quite possibly a terrible bad mistake. Quick Money is NOT what it sounds like. It just means that someone is winning Quick Money, not everybody.

It wasn't long until Winning at the Casino was yesterday or last week or not for a while. It was History. So, they pawned their Pool Cues, then their car's title was in the pot. It wasn't long before some lost their homes & some lost their wives.

It was sad. This scenario played itself out across the land. We lost a lot of Good Players & a lot of Good Players lost Everything. And the Pool Halls closed up too...



Other things took the gamblers too. Poker machines, the lotto, scratch-offs, all of a sudden the gamblers had a lot of other ways to scratch their itch, almost anytime anywhere. I think a big part of it is that these other methods of gambling seem to be luck. When somebody played pool to scratch their gambling Jones they always knew there were others out there better skilled at pool. Pure luck levels the playing field, or really insures the house wins and everyone else as a whole are guaranteed to lose! Still, the reliance on luck in other gambling hurt the pool halls massively I believe. Now gambling is quick and easy and if somebody loses it isn't their fault, at least in their mind.

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JAM

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Here's a copy and paste I wrote in 2006: The first time I ever met the SI writer, Jon Wertheim, was in November 2004 at the Glass City Open. He came to Toledo to work with Danny "Kid Delicious" Basavich on an article about him and Bristol Bob's road adventures, which eventually did publish on the SI website.

Later on, a movie production company caught wind and took an interest in Danny's story. Jon Wertheim is going to be working with Lions Gate as he is writing a book as well as a screen play.

About a month ago, I spoke to Jon on the phone, and he is still dilligently working on Danny's story. I told him that he would benefit from going to the DCC in Louisville because many of the players he was interested in talking to would be there. The movie production company, Lions Gate, suffered a financial blow last year due to one of the actors that had passed away during filming. They lost several millions of dollars is what I was told.

Jon Wertheim is still working on Danny's story and is continuing to gather data from anywhere and everywhere as it pertains to pool. I can't wait to see the end product when he's done, the book AND the movie. He sure is a fantastic writer, IMHO.


Can't find my photo of him at Glass City Open, but I have a couple of him and Kid Delicious.
 

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JAM

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Another SI Jon Wertheim article: https://www.si.com/more-sports/2014/10/08/kid-delicious-bristol-bob-si-60-jon-wertheim

Snippet: "Before long Delicious and Bristol were wiring $5,000 money orders back home to their parents. And by trial and error they were grasping the niceties of road playing. When they tried to save money, sleeping in the car or eating fast food, it exacted a price from their games, so they rarely stayed in any hotel south of a Red Roof Inn and often treated themselves to steak dinners. Realizing that an expansive pool vocabulary could blow their cover, they took pains to use incorrect lingo. "We'd say, 'Are there any money sticks?'" recalls Bristol. "They'd grin and say, 'Huh? You mean a money game? Sure, come on back!'" They also armed themselves with Sneaky Petes--exotic sticks that are made to look like cheap house cues. "When you [hustle] games, you've got to be able to play good pool," says Delicious, "but you've got to be able to act good too."

Kid and Bristol Bob.
 

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JAM

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Another snippet from the article: With a handsome sidekick setting him up, Danny Basavich, a.k.a. Kid Delicious, posed as a bumbling slob and won a small fortune in a four-year pool hustling odyssey. Now the Kid is a rising star on the pro tour.

The year was 2004 when Danny was winning every tournament he stepped foot in, it seemed. Joss Season Finale in Maine, Ocean State Championship, runner-up to Hillbilly at Glass City Open, runner up to Santos at Skins Billiards Championship in Atlantic City, just to name a few.

The IPT was in full swing at this time, banning all players who didn't sign a legally binding written contract. It was run by a good ol' boys club that practiced favoritism with a few. Due to Danny's wins that year in 2004, he was supposed to have a spot at the BC Open in Vegas, but his spot was given to one of the IPT's favorites instead. The IPT claimed they couldn't get a hold of Danny to invite him, even though Danny was a member of the IPT and had email and a cell phone number. It was total B.S. the way IPT treated Danny and many other players.

At that time, he was also getting sponsored/staked by a man who claimed to own Bethlehem Steel. Danny made some instructional DVDs to sell, and sales were good at this time. Danny was on top of the world. I met the Bethlehem Steel guy, and he was a huge Danny fan, but after a year or so, he pulled up and didn't sponsor Danny anymore, discarding him much like the IPT did.

Danny soon left the pool scene and was driving cab for a while. One shining light in Danny's life is his parents. They always supported him and still do. I haven't talked to Danny recently, but I did communicate with his dad not so long ago. All is well as the Basavich ranch. Thank goodness for Danny that he has a loving family.

I have a ton of Danny photos, but here's a few of my favorites.
 

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iusedtoberich

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Bristol bob hung around my home room Drexeline billiards for a few months or maybe a year in I’m recalling the early 2000’s? I think our top players beat him. It’s been a long time though.
 

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Bristol bob hung around my home room Drexeline billiards for a few months or maybe a year in I’m recalling the early 2000’s? I think our top players beat him. It’s been a long time though.

BB was not a top top player but a good guy who helped KD get the big action.
 
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