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11-16-2019, 09:18 AM

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... 25 years ago in "newsgroups" in early days of the internet. ...
... which seems like a different universe now.


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bca - 01-16-2020, 03:30 PM

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OK - cue ball and 15th ball (break ball or play safety). You spot the object ball on the head spot and play the cue ball from in the kitchen. My question is: IS THE OBJECT BALL LOCATED ON THE HEAD SPOT LEGAL TO SHOOT AT? My impression is that a ball ON the head string is not "in" the kitchen and should be a legal shot. But I'm having difficulty finding the right answer in the official BCA rules. Thank you!

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Ohh ya - 01-16-2020, 03:35 PM

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If the object ball is 1/2mm outside the rack area, it is more or less impossible to rack without disturbing the ball even for the steadiest racker. Instead of moving it and then putting it back to the best of the ref's guess, it makes a lot more sense to mark the position, remove the ball, rack the balls and then put the ball back precisely where it was.

There were lots of things missing or broken in the old BCA rule book.
There are a few things' as u stated that are definitely broken or crooked in the bca drive by media sludge these dais'. Besides their little book of rules. bca = beaurorcratic - corrupt - asinine. They are truly a bad outfit, If i were to join a bar league it would for sure not be bca government liars.


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02-16-2020, 02:47 PM

Iím a little confused, are you saying that the thickness of the rack doesnít matter as long as the 15th ball doesnít interfere with the 14 racked ball when the rack is not there itís ok. I thought the lines where drawn on the outside of the rack, not the inside of the rack!
  
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Iím a little confused, are you saying that the thickness of the rack doesnít matter as long as the 15th ball doesnít interfere with the 14 racked ball when the rack is not there itís ok. I thought the lines where drawn on the outside of the rack, not the inside of the rack!
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A ball is considered to interfere with the rack if it is within or overlaps the outline of the rack.
The outline is drawn outside the triangle. The rules don't actually state that and they probably should. The marking would be done by the installer and nearly all of them know to mark the outside. That is "obviously" what needs to be marked but things are not so obvious to new players.


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Thanks Bob, that clears it up and thatís the way we always played.
  
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Thanks Bob, that clears it up and thatís the way we always played.
And so far as I know, it has been played that way for 100 years. The only recent addition is the marking part.

The rules for the 1921 National Championship simply say "interferes with the framing" without further definition, which is open to interpretation. If a ball is so close that it needs to be marked to avoid accidental bumping, it could reasonably be said to "interfere" with the process of racking. I was not there for the tournament, so I don't know exactly how balls very close to the triangle were handled in practice.

I had a situation recently when I should have marked the ball but I was really careful taking the triangle off and I didn't move the ball enough to make any difference, probably.


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Danny, you need to keep up. The BCA no long has leagues and hasn't had leagues for over a decade.


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Yes the bca rule book is awkward, ...
Is there anything specific you don't like in the current rules of 14.1 or are you experiencing a general malaise and ennui?


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