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one opinion on Mosconi - 12-07-2017, 06:31 AM

I personally do not believe in pstchology
Phony pep talks and positive talk has always depressed me

this does not mean that I believe in a
negative attitude

I posted once before the Mosconi that I did not see the benefit of a coach
as an examplle I pointed to Tiger Woods troubles in these type of affairs

All the team talk and rah rah is foreign to players ,pool players or golfers

it might be fun for league players whose motivation is social,but not
pool players,the coaches tend to think their opinions are of importance
who plays whom and how.

Bah humbug

I honestly wouldn't want to go through all that,I already know how to play,
cut the cornball motivational speeches,jack the bet,get out of my face
lets rumble is the attitude of most great US players


Keep those Euro players in Vegas,send the coaches home,let
Shane have a day without advice and put up a few Euros and lets see
who wins without the flag waving

If we still don't win,lets adjust and jack the bet
  
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12-07-2017, 06:44 AM

Someone said that it wouldn't matter if Kim K was coaching the USA. I beg to differ. That might actually HELP. Tiger Woods played his best golf when he was pumped up (with woman and possibly steroids). Sleeping around with hot babes seemed to do wonders for Tiger's game.

Not that I condone the behavior, but I figured that I would use the opportunity for a non-PC joke, to fit in with Team USA.


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12-07-2017, 06:54 AM

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Keep those Euro players in Vegas,send the coaches home,let
Shane have a day without advice and put up a few Euros and lets see
who wins without the flag waving
They will do that anyway. And they won't tell us about it. Also, It won't change which team wins the Mosconi Cup.
  
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12-07-2017, 07:46 AM

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I personally do not believe in psychology.
Phony pep talks and positive talk has always depressed me

this does not mean that I believe in a
negative attitude

I posted once before the Mosconi that I did not see the benefit of a coach
as an examplle I pointed to Tiger Woods troubles in these type of affairs

All the team talk and rah rah is foreign to players ,pool players or golfers

it might be fun for league players whose motivation is social,but not
pool players,the coaches tend to think their opinions are of importance
who plays whom and how.

Bah humbug

I honestly wouldn't want to go through all that,I already know how to play,
cut the cornball motivational speeches,jack the bet,get out of my face
lets rumble is the attitude of most great US players


Keep those Euro players in Vegas,send the coaches home,let
Shane have a day without advice and put up a few Euros and lets see
who wins without the flag waving

If we still don't win,lets adjust and jack the bet
One of the very best posts of the year!
Dean, you've got a new calling!

Will Prout
  
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12-07-2017, 10:55 AM

Dean, maybe it's a generational thing. I've been around the sun 74 times now. Never did hold a good opinion on hippy dippy psychobabble.
  
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Need Herb Brooks - 12-07-2017, 08:56 PM

Best motivational speech of all time. Between periods with U. S. down
2 to 1 with Finland for the Gold. U. S. had defeated Russia the pre
Olympic favorite. " Lose this game and you will take it to your f--kin
graves'. As they left the locker he hollered " to your f--kin graves".
NOT " no matter what happens, I'm proud of you boys, and so is your
country'. YOU WILL TAKE IT TO YOUR F--KIN GRAVES'. Miracle on Ice
greatest of all time.
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One sure way for the USA to Win The Mosconi - 12-07-2017, 09:07 PM

Annex the Philippines

they could use the money and we could pick up some fresh blood
on the pool table

an added benefit would be the Filipino players could save money and time getting visas

not only that it might reduce our cost to visit and see players like Efren,and enjoy the
action over there

i think the Asians will beat the euro players now
lets move on
  
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12-08-2017, 04:16 AM

why shane? i would like to see sky vs filler in a long race......or better a long ahead set (wont take too long tho lol)
or hatch vs jayson.........
or alcaide vs thorpe
LOL


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12-08-2017, 04:25 AM

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Annex the Philippines ...
you can have the UK, if Brexit is done :P
But i think, Shaw will still play for Europe, because Scotland will have a referendum to stay in the EU *g*
  
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12-08-2017, 04:59 AM

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I personally do not believe in pstchology
Phony pep talks and positive talk has always depressed me

this does not mean that I believe in a
negative attitude

I posted once before the Mosconi that I did not see the benefit of a coach
as an examplle I pointed to Tiger Woods troubles in these type of affairs

All the team talk and rah rah is foreign to players ,pool players or golfers

it might be fun for league players whose motivation is social,but not
pool players,the coaches tend to think their opinions are of importance
who plays whom and how.

Bah humbug

I honestly wouldn't want to go through all that,I already know how to play,
cut the cornball motivational speeches,jack the bet,get out of my face
lets rumble is the attitude of most great US players


Keep those Euro players in Vegas,send the coaches home,let
Shane have a day without advice and put up a few Euros and lets see
who wins without the flag waving

If we still don't win,lets adjust and jack the bet
Not to be argumentative and I'm all for the US but, heads up playing for marbles, money, or just a trophy will show the best player. Adjusting and jacking will show the best gambler. I'd prefer to watch the gambling, but that ain't what MC is about!
  
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12-08-2017, 05:05 AM

not what mosconi is all about

exactly what isit about?
patriotic air heads supporting their country until they lose a few games
and then running their stupid mouths?
  
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12-08-2017, 05:13 AM

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you can have the UK, if Brexit is done :P
But i think, Shaw will still play for Europe, because Scotland will have a referendum to stay in the EU *g*
The UK are not leaving Europe. We are leaving the EU, which is a political and economic entity.

Further, there have been players that have played for Europe in the Mosconi cup that were not from EU countries. Only takes a google to find out.

As to the USA. Yorkshire could field a team that would likely give the USA a good thrashing - let alone the UK or Europe...
  
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12-08-2017, 06:28 AM

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I personally do not believe in pstchology
Phony pep talks and positive talk has always depressed me

this does not mean that I believe in a
negative attitude

I posted once before the Mosconi that I did not see the benefit of a coach
as an examplle I pointed to Tiger Woods troubles in these type of affairs

All the team talk and rah rah is foreign to players ,pool players or golfers

it might be fun for league players whose motivation is social,but not
pool players,the coaches tend to think their opinions are of importance
who plays whom and how.

Bah humbug

I honestly wouldn't want to go through all that,I already know how to play,
cut the cornball motivational speeches,jack the bet,get out of my face
lets rumble is the attitude of most great US players


Keep those Euro players in Vegas,send the coaches home,let
Shane have a day without advice and put up a few Euros and lets see
who wins without the flag waving

If we still don't win,lets adjust and jack the bet
I disagree with most of this. I do believe your views are held by at least some of the players though.

The US players DO NOT KNOW how to play in the Mosconi cup! Their safety play is way too sloppy, and they loose nearly every exchange. They miss easy shots at crucial moments and make horrendous mistakes. Shane looked like someone killed his dog throughout. Woodward was dogging his brains out in a way I have never seen ANYONE do in the Mosconi cup previously. Hatch is the only one who truely plays at his level on the US team. Group dynamics count and positive thinking will always help you, unless you don't want to be helped and would rather sit and sulk in your chair.

There is TREMENDOUS potential for improvement in the US team and it seems that no one is capable of getting through to the players. The reasons I believe are pretty much that they agree with YOU. They think they have it all figured out and won't really listen to anyone. They make bs excuses for themselves about races to 1000 and money games, but that is why they can't fix what is wrong! You can't repair a thing you don't understand is broken.

I have to laugh at the Americans continuing to talk about money games. How many money games for 10 k comes along? Because that's what they are playing for! It's not peanuts but actual money on the line, and they still can't get motivated? And you still think they don't need a sports psychologist? A money game you set up for yourself against an inferior opponent, is a completely different animal, because you can just goof off until you hit your gear and then make up for all your losses. EVERY SHOT in the Mosconi cup is for 10k, and your opponent is not likely to buckle easily, he's going to fire right back at you! Until they realize that, they will lose big. Year after year. It's the sum of small mistakes that does you in.

There is also the chance that Johan simply wasn't the right fit for the US team or that he made some mistakes due to cultural differences.I think he had the right idea of letting the US compete with Russia etc. I thought it was sad that this strategy didn't work. I suggested something similar myself after the last Mosconi cup.

Sadly, I think the problem is one of attitude and as long as that doesn't change, no amount of coaching can help. These are winners, so I don't understand why they don't simply say: "I can do better than this" and go to work! Because they aren't even performing at 60% of their true capabilities! I think a lot of the problem stems from people expecting miracles from the coaches, but that's not how they work. All those retarded American self help books are prime examples of such stupid wishful thinking. Coaches don't have a miracle one size fits all cure that they can apply in minutes, like these books all promise to you! You need to be open with them, to invite them to help you. They can't drag you out from the hole you have dug for yourself unless you help them do it, and you have to crawl out yourself, with their guidance.

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12-08-2017, 06:51 AM

After several years of taking it on the chin, is it possible that when the Mosconi Cup rolls around, the US players are playing in " Not to lose " mode instead of " winning mode " so to speak.
I am certainly not on the level of these players by far, but, can sense in team events I have shared with players over the years, have sensed when team mates have gone into this kind of mode, not to lose and their demeanor at the table is just a little less positive and it shows.

Even if a game is close, my team mates more than likely will lose a game when the chance was there by being a little timid. Usually, a good player can shoot out of it and you can see the steam roller is on.

We have not been able to put our opponents back on their heals much in the Mosconi Cup. Win or lose, the matches should be much closer as the talent should reflect. Confidence is so important.

More of a question than an opinion as I don't have this type of game to give an opinion.
  
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12-08-2017, 02:06 PM

what inhabits the head inhibits the stroke

these pop psycho babble positive
thinking talkers are getting into the head

fire the coaches and save money

win without them

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