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05-23-2018, 06:32 AM

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I understand, and you can probably spin that cb right around the 2 for good shape. I can't. The cb goes toward the 5, not center table. It would be nice to see someone successfully shoot the 2-railer a few times and get a good shot on the 2 that leads to the 3. If it's easy I'd like to learn it. But I don't think any option here is all that easy.

The draw is surely not an easy shot as far as stroke goes. But with straight draw, no side spin, it's an easy cut shot, regardless of speed. The back spin does not stay on the cb all the way to the rail. It lasts long enough to draw back off the 1 at an angle/bend toward the rail, then it rolls by the 2 and bounces off the rail and back toward center table. Similar shots come up quite often, so it's a good one to practice.
Yes, I'm familiar with the shot and how it works when you use backspin. I highly recommend to other posters here that they practice the high right option.

Just a reminder to other posters here: Make sure you are aiming high enough and with enough right spin, even if it takes you out of your comfort zone. Don't let stuff like that hold you back. Experiment!


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05-23-2018, 07:02 AM

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Yes, I'm familiar with the shot and how it works when you use backspin. I highly recommend to other posters here that they practice the high right option.

Just a reminder to other posters here: Make sure you are aiming high enough and with enough right spin, even if it takes you out of your comfort zone. Don't let stuff like that hold you back. Experiment!
That's the key....experiment! Try things outside of your comfort zone. Push the limits. Always listen to the advice of others, especially those that have "been there and done that", but above all be creative and learn how to make your own way, regardless of how anyone else or everyone else does it.

Most often the standard/common way is best, but through experimentation and experience you'll begin to recognize when the common way just won't cut it.


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05-23-2018, 07:15 AM

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Yes, I'm familiar with the shot and how it works when you use backspin. I highly recommend to other posters here that they practice the high right option.

Just a reminder to other posters here: Make sure you are aiming high enough and with enough right spin, even if it takes you out of your comfort zone. Don't let stuff like that hold you back. Experiment!
Also experiment with little or no follow - the CB will naturally gain follow spin on its way to the OB, especially if the shot isnít whacked hard. Itís pretty much never necessary to use more than about 80% of maximum follow, even for high speed shots.

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05-23-2018, 01:33 PM

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Yes, I'm familiar with the shot and how it works when you use backspin. I highly recommend to other posters here that they practice the high right option.

Just a reminder to other posters here: Make sure you are aiming high enough and with enough right spin, even if it takes you out of your comfort zone. Don't let stuff like that hold you back. Experiment!
Different shots get the job done. You should post a video of your experience and practice with this shot like BC21 did. This is an honest suggestion, I would like to see it


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05-25-2018, 01:38 PM

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For me, this particular shot doesnt appear to be the standard bread and butter 2-rails back to center when you set it up and shoot it. The cb goes toward the 5 ball. And when trying to come in tight/close to the 2 to get a better angle, the likelihood of hitting the 2 is very real. So as far as a typical bread butter shot goes, this one seems like the butter is cold and hard and doesn't spread easily. .



I'd love to see a video example of anyone that can shoot this 2 rails and get the cb somewhere between the "S" and the "k" in "Sticks" on that ChalkySticks logo. I don't see it happening by going between the 2 and rail. It looks possible to get there by going between the 2 and 9, but you'd really have to manipulate Have that CB, possibly missing the 1 ball shot.

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Have to agree with this. The natural path just ain't there. To get a decent angle on the 2 you have to pass very close to it when you come off the 2nd rail. It's not easy to do and the better the follow is going to the short rail is actually counterproductive. It gets you further to the left and you'll come off long which is no good.
If I'm going to shoot it this way I'd want to get as far to the right as possible but not so far that I hit the 2 coming off the 2nd rail. Very small margin there.
But as pointed out, drawing above the 2 also has a very small margin and I wouldn't even consider it, in spite of how well you executed it in the video.
Perhaps it's a shot you happen to shoot extremely well but I think it would prove very difficult for most players.
  
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05-25-2018, 02:19 PM

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Have to agree with this. The natural path just ain't there. To get a decent angle on the 2 you have to pass very close to it when you come off the 2nd rail. It's not easy to do and the better the follow is going to the short rail is actually counterproductive. It gets you further to the left and you'll come off long which is no good.
If I'm going to shoot it this way I'd want to get as far to the right as possible but not so far that I hit the 2 coming off the 2nd rail. Very small margin there.
But as pointed out, drawing above the 2 also has a very small margin and I wouldn't even consider it, in spite of how well you executed it in the video.
Perhaps it's a shot you happen to shoot extremely well but I think it would prove very difficult for most players.
Makes sense. The draw shot isn't easy, but getting shape is automatic as long as you don't hit the 2 full in the face on your way across. Thinning it or even glancing off at about half a ball will still provide a shot on the 2, though may or may not be a good angle to get to the 3.

The 2-rail with top right is more natural and easier to shoot, but the angle is wrong for good position on the 2. Trying to tighten the cb up around the 2 could just as easily cause it to hit the 2, which would not leave much of a shot.

Playing for a long corner shot or side pocket shot relies on perfect speed coming off the end rail in order to get a good angle on the 2.

This is the type of shot, for me anyway, that depends on how I've been hitting the balls. If your deep into a set and have a good feel for how the table is playing, you'll have a better feel for how you'd like to play this shot if it comes up. If it's the first shot of a match or your first shot for the night, any option could result in complications for the 2 ball.


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05-25-2018, 03:08 PM

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The 2-rail with top right is more natural and easier to shoot
An alternative to controlling the rebound angle with spin is to control the carom angle off the 1 by varying tip height. The choice can depend on which angle you want into and off of the second rail.

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An alternative to controlling the rebound angle with spin is to control the carom angle off the 1 by varying tip height. The choice can depend on which angle you want into and off of the second rail.

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Yes, but to get anywhere close to a decent angle on the 2 ball I think there needs to be some right english to send the cb wide off the end rail and into the long rail just about straight across from the 2 or a little below it.

With no right spin the cb comes off the long rail above the 2 and leaves you a backcut. That's why Fran says to use more top along with the right spin -- so the cb will grab the end rail to the left of the center diamond, and the right spin will send it wide behind the 2 at an angle into that 2nd rail that'll allow the cb to head more toward the large position area near center table. Using the correct speed and spin, and pocketing the 1, I find it more difficult than the straight draw shot because you can't use maximum top and enough right english at the same time, well...at least I can't.


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05-25-2018, 03:47 PM

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An alternative to controlling the rebound angle with spin is to control the carom angle off the 1 by varying tip height. The choice can depend on which angle you want into and off of the second rail.

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Yes, but to get anywhere close to a decent angle on the 2 ball I think there needs to be some right english to send the cb wide off the end rail and into the long rail just about straight across from the 2 or a little below it.
You don't need right spin to do that - a little more stun (lower tip) works too. And then the CB is traveling more crosstable off the second rail (because less spin). [Edit: I agree the path with spin is probably more advantageous here than this option.]

I practice precision stun-rollthrough carom angles by choosing challenging CB paths in practice - like going between a ball and a rail when the gap is small.

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