More CTE but simpler from Chris
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Thanks for the post. Mostly liked it. But adjusting for those in between angle shots is not easy. Probably easier to just go to a 3/4 tip pivot if you think its between the 5 degree increments. Unless your playing on a table with tightly shimmed pockets most shot will work without any adjustment. Just need to know if inside or outside pivot.
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He makes very good videos, but his CTE terminology is not correct as far as the "inside" and "outside" pivot. The pivots are opposite of what he says. And he is still not doing the perceptions, which is the main reference line from which the half tip pivot originates when doing CTE pro1. Lil Chris's method is easier, but a bit confusing if you're trying to learn the CTE version Stan Shuffett teaches. But it seems to work about the same way, as far as the results being no worse or no better than Stan's/Hal's CTE pivot system.
The example shots are all separated by about 5°, and he goes through every possible angle created by the CTE version he is using. With the ob as far way from the pocket as it is, the aiming accuracy needs to be within about +/- 1.5°, which means there are quite a bit of in-between shots that won't work unless you tweak the pivot to make them work. In other words, between the first shot around 10° and the last shot around 70°, he only shoots 9 different cut angles. Within this 60° range (70-10) there are more than 30 different cut angles that could possibly come up for this ob position. Being off by more than about 1.5° will cause a miss. This method only covers 9 cut angles, which isn't good enough unless the balls just happen to line up with one of those 9 angles. If not, you'll have to recognize that it's off and tweak the aim or manipulate the pivot in order to make the shot.
In the end it comes down to rote, to trial and error and many many hours of practice trying to figure out how to make the pivots work for all those in-between shots. Why not just practice ghostball or contact points or fractional aiming, and steer clear of pivots all together? You'd only have one aim line to figure out instead of guessing or experimenting with different pivot variations truing to aim a little a little thicker or thinner. I mean, if you can recognize that you are lined up a couple of degrees too thick or thin, you don't need a pivot to put you on the shot line.
The example shots are all separated by about 5°, and he goes through every possible angle created by the CTE version he is using. With the ob as far way from the pocket as it is, the aiming accuracy needs to be within about +/- 1.5°, which means there are quite a bit of in-between shots that won't work unless you tweak the pivot to make them work. In other words, between the first shot around 10° and the last shot around 70°, he only shoots 9 different cut angles. Within this 60° range (70-10) there are more than 30 different cut angles that could possibly come up for this ob position. Being off by more than about 1.5° will cause a miss. This method only covers 9 cut angles, which isn't good enough unless the balls just happen to line up with one of those 9 angles. If not, you'll have to recognize that it's off and tweak the aim or manipulate the pivot in order to make the shot.
In the end it comes down to rote, to trial and error and many many hours of practice trying to figure out how to make the pivots work for all those in-between shots. Why not just practice ghostball or contact points or fractional aiming, and steer clear of pivots all together? You'd only have one aim line to figure out instead of guessing or experimenting with different pivot variations truing to aim a little a little thicker or thinner. I mean, if you can recognize that you are lined up a couple of degrees too thick or thin, you don't need a pivot to put you on the shot line.
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GoldenFlash777
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All of that stuff you're posting is just crazy and stupid.
Ghostballs and fractions can't even be seen.
Lol. Just like the visuals used to get the "perception"?
These things are visualized/imagined in the minds eye, just like visualizing a line toward an imagined ghostball or an imagined line leading to a fractional aim point. However, at least CTE visuals and fractional aiming share solid reference points on the ob itself, which is a solid object that doesn't need to be imagined.
If you believe fractions can't be seen, then you certainly must not be able to visualize a CTE or ETA, B, or C visual.
GoldenFlash777
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Laugh all you want to laugh, boy. But you don't know doodledy squat.
If you spent time with Stevie Moore you'd know you don't acually "see" any perceptions.
And you can't see any contact points, fractions, or ghosts either.
You probably can't play any either. Stick to your leagues buddy...you don't know what you're preachin' about.
At least his posts have some content. All we ever get from CTE users is "nuh uh!"
pj
chgo
In bold....you're exactly right. So what's your point? You down ghostball and fractions and contact points because they "can't be seen", yet you admit the same thing applies to CTE perceptions. I think the one who doesn't know what he's talking about is you.
Anyway, I haven't been called "boy" in quite a few years. You get a big thumbs up for making me laugh.:thumbup:
You can't see the tangent line either.
Where does the cue ball go ?
You can't see deflection and swerve either .
Or balls clinging more after midnight .
Where does the cue ball go ?
You can't see deflection and swerve either .
Or balls clinging more after midnight .
Exactly. We visualize them. And some of us do better than others, usually due to more table time.
Some people visualize the shot then pretend they are using some system .
I have video proof of it but that would rile up a few people.
Freaking straight in shot and dude pretends to be using pivot to get there.
Good Lord .
One guy was touting a system BEFORE he even learned it .
People either like or hate CTE. Is it the perfect system, the answer is no, because there is no perfect system.
Does CTE work for those who spend the time to master it? Yes if you practice, master it, and last use is like any tool. For the job it is design to do.
A Swiss Army Knife may have 6 or more blades, but non does anything well. Need a special tool for a special job like chopping down a big tree. Chainsaw will do fast, efficient, and great. Swiss Army Knife Sawblade could work if you got years to do the downing of the tree.
Does CTE work for those who spend the time to master it? Yes if you practice, master it, and last use is like any tool. For the job it is design to do.
A Swiss Army Knife may have 6 or more blades, but non does anything well. Need a special tool for a special job like chopping down a big tree. Chainsaw will do fast, efficient, and great. Swiss Army Knife Sawblade could work if you got years to do the downing of the tree.
GoldenFlash777
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And who the dickens are YOU?
Some no shooting nobody from Chicago...??
Here's your "nuh uh".
You rile people up all the time. Post the video. This is about the tenth time you've mentioned it.
Whadya think is the over/under on how long this "sleeve" lasts? And whodya think it is? Sounds pretty familiar to me...
pj
chgo
Or better weed.
Or better weed.
Yes....that too. Lol
That you, Tony?
I'm not sure who Tony is but, to me, it's pretty obvious who this really is.
Lou Figueroa
place your bets
Care to post a pic of theses solid references points on the OB? Just post a pic and point to the solid reference points on the OB anybody can use.
Please......back up your statement.